Casual Temple

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Welcome to the Casual Temple podcast, and you're listening to episode #15 and I'm your host, Merrily Duffy. Here at the casual temple, we explore our profound connection to the world of spirit, which empowers us to know our true selves. If you enjoy our mystical and magical content, Please remember to subscribe on YouTube.

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Or your preferred podcast platform. Today we are joined by Shannon Torrence where we explore her encounters with a blue orb in her teenage bedroom and more recently, with a purple angelic BLOB in her adult bedroom. We learned how Shannon perceives spirit as a medium in exploring the essences of trust in spirit communication.

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We also discussed the difference between being a psychic and being a medium's TuneIn for insightful words of wisdom about the powerful force of love.

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Welcome to the casual temple. This week. My guest is Shannon Torrance. Shannon is a talented voice actor, intuitive Empath medium and host of The Amazing Podcast Magic is real. Magic is Real, is a podcast with a focus on spiritual, spiritually transformative experience. Stories from near death experiences, mediums and healers.

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Shannon is also launching a new podcast called Still Standing, where extraordinary people share their rocky path and how they continue to find a way.

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Through it all.

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Shannon, I'm so honored to have you.

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Here on the casual temple. Thank.

00:01:20 Shannon

You merrily. I'm so happy to be here with you. And so honored. Thank you for asking me to join you.

00:01:26 Merrily

Yeah, thank you. Well, we'll just kind of dive in. I know you're part with this. So we'll just kind of start at the beginning. So can you start by telling us in early spiritual or paranormal experience that shaped who you are today?

00:01:41 Shannon

That's interesting.

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Yeah, I don't.

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Want to say that there was any spiritual experience that shaped?

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Exactly who I am today.

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But what I will say is that when I was 14 or so, I was lying in my bed and I turned the light off to go to sleep and this Big Blue neon orb appeared above my body.

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Clear as day.

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And it zipped across the room a couple of times. It kind of looked at me it.

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Was just a little.

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Didn't have a face but it.

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Had a personality and it looked at me curiously.

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And then I got freaked out and screamed and it just shot straight up in the air and disappeared.

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I don't know that I gave it much thought.

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Until much later when I worked in casting and I was assigned the job of casting at a paranormal show and I had to call some mediums and I didn't know I was a medium and I just started asking them.

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Hey, what's the deal with?

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This little blue thing and some of.

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Them said they were spirit orbs.

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I now understand that.

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It was an interdimensional being from.

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Another dimension I don't want, we want to say planet I because it wasn't like an apparition. It was like solid form. And so I think I was interested in a lot of that stuff. I used to watch a lot of medium shows and that sort of thing.

00:03:10 Shannon

But it wasn't like one big thing that was like, here's my spiritual awakening, and we can talk more about my story, but I'll let you kind of lead because I don't want to just start babbling about about kind of what led me into mediumship, but that's sort of if you want to talk about paranormal experiences or memorable.

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I just saw through the veil or something.

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Came and visited me from another dimension. That was actually the only one I even.

00:03:39 Merrily

Yeah. So how would you say that that particular experience because it was pretty dramatic, right? You had this?

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Entity like how did that affect how you saw the world? Did you just kind of ignore it or?

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I ignored it. I just got scared and screamed and I my mom came running in and she's like, what's wrong? And I she said, your eyes are just playing tricks on you, so I just.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Dismissed it. I.

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I my mom is actually pretty spiritual and believes in things like that, but I think she just assumed that I was dreaming or something. I just know that I was wide awake when it happened, right? And so I didn't give it another thought. I just went on with my high school life. I had other things to think about.

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Like boys. Oh yeah.

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You know.

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I was not even thinking.

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Important thing.

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Spirituality at all, in fact.

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I would probably say I was more.

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Atheistic agnostic. I just didn't know.

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What it was and we.

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Didn't have it.

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Was the 80s. We didn't have devices.

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There was no Google.

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I just like I was like, that was weird.

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And moved off of my.

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Exactly, yeah.

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Ah yeah. So how so? From there? So what has your, I mean, you've had an extraordinary path, but what would you say are sort of the highlights to where you are today of your spiritual path?

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Yeah, that's a good question. Thank you.

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I will start with.

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Just before the pandemic, I'm a voice actor and I developed a vocal disorder, which is a long, boring story.

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Long, long and the short of it is I.

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Could not speak normally and they couldn't work anymore. And then the pandemic hit. So I was in a deep depression. I was in grief.

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I had just started to do really well in voiceover after years of financial struggle and finally I hit it big and then I lost my voice. So.

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I was in deep despair and my vocal coach my voice.

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Coach told me the way to get your voice back. It's not going to be what you think. You have to calm your nervous system down because I have had a muscle tension disorder and so.

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She said this is really a neurological issue and you're going to have.

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To really sink into yoga meditation, she said. I want you to read the power of now and I'm sitting here, like, not discounting what she's saying. Just frustrated because I'm like, I have no money. I can't just.

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And then it was the pandemic, so I couldn't even like be.

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A nanny anymore?

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Or drive her Uber or any of the things that I would normally do. So I started to read these spiritual books. The power of now, as she suggested, and watching a lot of near Death experience videos.

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Just because I liked to and then read some books by famous mediums such as Suzanne Geissman, the Long Island Medium, John Holland, and what I discovered was all of them said.

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We're all mediums.

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We can all learn to do this. I always thought that mediums had to just be born that way and you either were. You weren't and you're lucky if you get.

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To if you can do that so.

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Something I don't. Something clicked and I just felt like I'm going to learn how to do this. So I began to take classes both online and actually in the beginning it was.

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In person, before everything shut down and I took a workshop with medium flour, who's a most one of the most talented mediums there is and.

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First class, she walked us through meditation. Then she paired us off, had us go around the room and we did little exercises and I.

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Found that I was.

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Able to tell people things about them, including.

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What was in their house?

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I was able to tell them things about their loved ones. I was able to tell what they.

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Did for a living.

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And so was everybody it.

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Wasn't just me and I.

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Left there, so excited.

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I I was like, I don't.

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Even know what I'm doing?

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And I was.

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Able to just do that so it piqued my interest.

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And I began studying intensively.

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Mediumship giving practice readings, yoga, meditation and every day just I I sunk all my resources into studying with famous mediums and things like that until.

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Soon I realized I was doing it. I was communicating with the other side or was communicating with the other side, but I was actually able to understand what they were saying. I was able to receive symbols and signs.

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And it just felt so exciting to me that there is.

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This other realm, despite your struggles and I was in so much grief, my relationship was struggling my.

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With my partner and he was frustrated with the whole thing.

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And we were just really.

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There's a lot of tension and there was a lot of struggle and I just really didn't want to be here anymore and I just thought this is too hard. Like I I don't want to be here and then.

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I found this and I started as soon as I could talk again. I started my podcast. Magic is real, where I interviewed your death experiencers and people like you. You're going to be on my podcast tomorrow. And as spiritual people. And we talk about afterlife topics. And so I felt like I understood after a couple of years.

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Why this had happened to me? Because I kept saying I don't understand. I worked for 15 years to get here and I finally got here and now you just.

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Took it away from me. Why?

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This isn't fair. This is not fair at all. Why are you doing this to me? And what I learned was the reason it all happened was because I was meant.

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My my I can still act and I'm a good actor, but that's not my purpose here on Earth.

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And my purpose is.

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As is yours is to be loved to, to show love to other people, to connect with other people, to learn, to grow.

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All of us sort.

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Of have these different unique talents and so yeah.

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I'm a good actor.

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But is that really why it was?

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Put here on Earth.

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I I think not. I think now that I've healed now that I'm doing my spiritual work, my voice has come.

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Back and so my work is not even to be a medium. And I love being a medium and it's an.

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Honor to be able to be of service to.

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People who have.

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Lost loved ones to show them that there's hope and that we can still communicate and that these.

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People that we think are gone are not really gone.

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But it's also to do the podcast to be a voice, to share the information that my guests have experienced and learned from, having left their bodies and gone to the other side, which is.

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That we're here.

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To remember who we are also and to love one another and to kind of get back on track because there's so many things happening in this world that are so terrible and there's so much division, there's a lot of.

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Violence and hatred and fear and indoctrination of little children. Saying your mission on this earth is to kill other people that we think are bad. And so these children are now in.

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The world with.

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This false idea of why we're here and they're.

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True selves have been abandoned because they don't know they've they've left their purpose. And so even though I can't personally change the world, there is that beautiful saying about just be the change that you want to see. Which is it does make a difference like us being in the light. It may not immediately save a lot.

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Life, but it's a ripple effect that spreads. So if I show kindness to you and then you feel loved and safe, then you go show a kindness and make someone else feel heard, seen and loved.

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And it it.

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Is a ripple effect and there are more and more people being less jaded and hopefully remembering that we are here.

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We are souls living in having a human experience.

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And so there is a greater purpose, and that is simply to be love. It's not that complicated, but sometimes we do complicate it. So that's.

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How I ended up.

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Where I am today, which is again being.

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Able to get.

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Readings to people and to sit with them. Sometimes they're not in grief immediately, but even to just work through some life stuff like let's just talk about you for a while and my readings too. Don't go. A lot of them are.

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Like, OK, 30 minute reading.

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Or an hour mine. Just I always tell my clients they go until we're done sometimes.

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It'll be two.

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Hours and we just kind of get done what need what they need today to heal. And I don't do any magic.

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I just listen and we talk and I ask spirit for guidance for them. And I ask spirit to show themselves in the way that my clients need the most. Like, what do they need to hear today? Is it a?

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Message from you do.

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That we need to talk about what's going on in their life.

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If they're not currently in this.

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Deep despair? Maybe they just need to be heard or.

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Maybe we just need.

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To talk about.

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Some things that are happening, or maybe we just need to talk about their loved one.

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Because they haven't felt comfortable.

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Sort of speaking about their loved ones. To the people around them. Umm, in because they feel like it's a burden.

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And I am here to say I'm here for it. Talk to me about that person, and I feel like I get to meet that person.

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And then we.

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End up with this very strong bond and almost all of my clients become really good friends because there's it's a it's a really amazing.

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To be able to, I just met your the person that everyone else thinks is dead. But we sat with that person and that person showed me that they're still here and we all kind of hung out together for that time. And so it's just the most amazing and rewarding job. And I know you're a, I guess I don't want to. If you call yourself a light worker or whatever, but you're of service.

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People in that way too, so.

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I think you understand that feeling of of just being fulfilled.

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In that way.

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Mm-hmm. Yeah.

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And it's definitely a lot of it is just, you know, sitting with somebody and I, you know, I, well, you described it so beautifully. And it is a lot of like, my perspective is like I'm seeing somebody as like a spirit and a soul. You know, I'm kind of, you know, their person, but like, you're here is 2 souls. And we're talking to others or I don't. I'm not a medium necessarily.

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More of a psycho. Intuitive. Yeah, but yeah, it is just.

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Sort of like souls.

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Talking and being with one another, which we don't get to do a lot of you.

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Know an argument like which is really weird.

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I now I want to ask.

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You. Anna mentioned that and ask you something too, because.

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A lot of people don't understand that there's a difference between a psychic and a medium.

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And so sometimes I'll have people come to me and I've said to them, I have to tell you I'm a little concerned because I'm not feeling spirit.

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With me, I don't, and I'm and I'll say so. I don't know what's going to happen. And they'll say, oh, I didn't want it mediumship reading. I wanted a psychic reading, and I'll say, well, and I don't. That's not what I claim to do. But I've done it and it's worked out.

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Because what I do is so.

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Psychic work is reading the energy of the person, and you might be able to see their life path, or you might be able to see things coming up for them, and it's blending with their energy. Medium ship is talking to dead people. Essentially I'm and yet.

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I've heard it said that all.

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Mediums are psychic, but not all psychics are mediums.

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And yet, I I'm gonna ask you this. So when I do a psychic reading, because someone comes to me and they're suddenly like, ohh I didn't.

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Know there.

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Was a difference. Hmm, I say OK.

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Well, I'm still gonna do.

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The reading we're still gonna do.

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It I mean, I don't even bother explaining to them that that's not really what I do.

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Yeah, I just see what happens. And then if if the reading doesn't go well, which happens hardly ever. But if I can't do something for them, I'm not going to charge them, you know, I'm, I'm not going to still charge them, but I'll say let's just kind of float with this.

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And see where it goes well.

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What I do is I ask.

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Spirit to tell me.

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The information so when I'm doing a psychic reading for you, I'm not.

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I mean, I might be, I don't know. I'm not reading into your energy. I'm saying spirit. Tell me what they need to know about their life path. So it could be spirit guides. No, I don't personally claim to know who your spirit guides are because I don't have a way of validating that. And I don't see them clearly enough to know. But I'll say whoever it is, if it.

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Dad, on the other side, if it's a spirit guide, just tell me what they need to know. And my clients have said that was amazing. You got everything. It all resonated. And I'm like, I am not taking credit for this at all because I don't claim to be a psychic. Whoever.

00:16:13 Shannon

It's an intuitive reading, right? So yeah, what do you think? I'm just curious to know about the way that you work as a psychic. Intuitive. Do you? Are you getting it from?

00:16:23 Shannon

The other realms are you getting it from them? A little bit of both.

00:16:27 Merrily

I feel now that again, you're so great at articulating I.

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Feel like now that it's.

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A little bit of both.

00:16:34 Merrily

I I don't. Personally, I don't say I'm a medium only because there's an expectation of what it right because there is like this expectation of what a medium is. But what I do see is like I do tend to see their guides like they'll come in and most of the time it's like they're like, hey, we've been trying to reach this person.

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Here's, you know, we want to work with them and they just tell me like, this is how they can, like, open that Channel, right, whether it's, you know, automatic writing, whether it's like meditation. Like they'll tell me that, right, like, that's basically how they've been approaching me with the people I've been working.

00:17:10 Merrily

But yeah, I don't get like this is your granddad. This is your. You know, I do tend to get their pets though that that that's which is weird. Isn't that weird?

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So do I.

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Try to communicate easily.

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We're here.

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Enough. I don't know why that is. I think they just kind of.

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Bound in with their.

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They're beautiful.

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Yeah, they're just, they're all love and.

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Energy, yeah.

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So they just are pretty.

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And then also I was going to ask you about.

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That because I think it's good.

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For the listeners to hear from you too.

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Along these lines, which is you said that you kind of see their spirit guides and how do you see perceive them?

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Just got chills.

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But how do you perceive them?

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And this is, yeah, I'm gonna have to flip that question.

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Back to you as well, but yeah, I.

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OK, so a lot of times I see lights, right? I see little pinpoints of lights like if I close my eyes, I can like kind of see them kind of entering my site I.

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Don't know if it's.

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Sense and sometimes it's a feeling, right? It's like, oh, I kind of feel this like pressure of, like, a presence most of the time, if I close my eyes, I'm focusing on something. I'll see these lights coming in and they're all different colors. And I think they're they mean something, right. I've sort of categorized the colors because they seem to mean.

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Things, yeah.

00:18:22 Shannon

I want to know this because I've been at now when I call I've been. This has been happening recently where.

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I'm in meditation and I'll be like whatever you want me to know. And I.

00:18:32 Shannon

Start seeing purple lights, but they're not pinpoints. They're like.

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Yes, yes. Is that what it is? Because I'm like, I think I'm connecting with angels, but I'm not sure because it's new to me.

00:18:42 Merrily

Oh, I think you know, personally, I've also sort of seen the that blobby purple light. And when I asked, I was like, what is, what is this?

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And I got, oh gosh.

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Saint Germain. It was like Saint Germain Energy. Yeah, yeah.

00:18:54 Shannon

I've heard this.

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Ohh, you're right that I've heard that too.

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I and I have the God I'm not interviewing.

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You, but I have so many questions. Tomorrow I'll.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Ask you because and I don't know, maybe your viewers.

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You when your listeners what? Who is Saint Germain?

00:19:13 Merrily

You know, I don't know. I don't either, but.

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You just.

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I for heard like.

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He it's an entity of some kind that I need to look more into. So I just wondered if you knew.

00:19:21 Merrily

Well, I looked it up like historic, you know, with the there's like a historical figure of Saint Germain.

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What I can gather it seems a little fuzzy to me. Be honest. When I looked into it, it seems like he was most likely an ascended master. Young lived that was an incarnation that was recent, so that's why it sticks is like this person that was called something germane, but they now call him Saint Germain. But he operates within that.

00:19:49 Merrily

The purple light energy, which you know as you know, is like very high upper chakra energy. So yeah, I've been trying to work with. I've been, like, inviting that energy. Right. Cause I saw it and I was like, you know, so like, what is it? How do we work together?

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And from what I can feel and gather, it is sort of like a like a raising the vibration sort of energy, yeah.

00:20:12 Shannon

Yeah, I just started noticing it and it.

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It's like a weird. Yeah, it's just like this.

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Take a look at.

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Weird thing where I was actually like.

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In bed, lying next to my boyfriend one night.

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And I look over and I'm like.

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I'm like he goes. What he what's what's?

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Wrong and I'm like.

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I'm see. I think they're angels.

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Here like I'm seeing.

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Big blobs.

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Of like yeah, purple in your room.

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And I it was the first time I'd seen them with my eyes open.

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And they were.

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Floating all around he goes. What is?

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It, and he's more of an.

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Agnostic. But he's like, what? What does it mean? I'm like it means you're protected. I.

00:20:41 Merrily

Oh, sure.

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Just know that I know that they're here because.

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Because he's going, you know, he's had some.

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Family losses and.

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Stuff. And I was like, they're just here to they're.

00:20:51 Merrily

Oh yeah.

00:20:53 Shannon

Here to say we're protecting you, we're here. That's all. That's all I got from it. I wasn't sure. But it's. I'm so excited about it. These new friends. It's always the crazy person. But but when you said to how do I perceive different ways too? Because like.

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My biggest.

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Sign that someone's.

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There is. I get what I.

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Call spirit tingles where it feels like.

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That head massager that you used to get it, like the the one that like, goes like this like a spider.

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On the top.

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Of your head.

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It feels like someone's doing that to me, but it often ends up it's often on my right side.

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Only and I don't.

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Know why? Maybe it.

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Has to do with my brain wiring.

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And they're.

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Like my neurons and energy interacting and there's like a shot, I feel it right.

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Now there's this.

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Like tingles that go all the way down my arm all the way down my right side and then down the side of my leg. And that's how I know someone's there. Or if I'm reading somebody doesn't happen every time. I like when it does because.

00:21:54 Shannon

If I say.

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OK, they want me to talk about a red.

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Stocking for Christmas or something.

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And then I get the feeling they're.

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Like it's them saying yes.

00:22:04 Shannon

Yes, keep going like you're on the right. It's sort of like you're getting warmer. You're getting warmer. Or if I have a message and I'm like I'm, I'm I always tell my clients I'm not perfect. I'm a human, so I'm not always sure if I'm right. So I kind of go.

00:22:18 Shannon

I think what I'm getting is, I think that they're trying to say this and suddenly I.

00:22:21 Shannon

Get that rush? Umm.

00:22:23 Shannon

Tingles. I'm like, OK, they're telling me that I.

00:22:25 Shannon

Right. But I also don't see with my naked eye, I don't see spirits standing next to you or I don't see apparitions.

00:22:34 Shannon

I just sort.

00:22:35 Shannon

Of know like.

00:22:37 Shannon

They're cognizant. Clark through Clark cognizance, which is clear, knowing that I'm like your grandma's here. Like I just know that she's here and I don't.

00:22:45 Shannon

I don't see her. I just.

00:22:47 Shannon

Know that there's a grandma here and I can't even explain it. And then clairvoyance is very strong with me where I see. But I see in my mind's eye. So if I were to say.

00:22:58 Shannon

Imagine an apple, right?

00:23:01 Shannon

If you have sight and you've seen an apple before, you know your you will see it in your mind's.

00:23:06 Shannon

Eye will. Where is that?

00:23:09 Shannon

Like I can see it, but I'm not seeing it with my eyes. Picture that. That's how I see. So I might when I say I'm seeing, it's almost like I'm seeing that Apple. So I'll say I'm seeing.

00:23:21 Shannon

It's like a dream. It's like something. It's like a memory of something that happened to me that I'm remembering, like, OK, they're showing me this.

00:23:28 Shannon

Turn up truck. So is there something about I'm I'm fresh off the turnip truck.

00:23:32 Shannon

Like and it's like.

00:23:33 Shannon

I don't really see it. And then I also hear names is one of my strongest because I'm very good at names in person now. Some of my clients will be like, no, she didn't get any names. Right? Because I I'll tell them like I'm just going to say all the names that come into my head because I don't want to miss them.

00:23:48 Shannon

Sometimes I'll get 10 names and they're all right.

00:23:50 Shannon

Because before my readings, I'll say. Please give me your name so that I know. Because that's my validation that I have the right.

00:23:56 Shannon

Person. So it would be great if.

00:23:58 Shannon

You can I.

00:23:59 Shannon

Always say shout your name at me telepathically, as loud as you can. I might need your help, but just tell me really loudly what your name is and that seems to be very helpful. So when I hear I don't actually hear it.

00:24:11 Shannon

This sounds like my own thought.

00:24:13 Shannon

And so I don't hear a disembodied voice, just hear like Joan.

00:24:19 Shannon

You know, but I it's like or.

00:24:22 Shannon

I'll be like is.

00:24:22 Shannon

There someone named like Reggie and.

00:24:24 Shannon

You know or something and it's it's.

00:24:26 Shannon

Just like this quick.

00:24:28 Shannon

As if I already had met that person and I'd met them once before. And it's like I already know his name. It comes to me like.

00:24:34 Shannon

A memory.

00:24:35 Shannon

Yeah, somebody that I knew. So it's all very subtle and I think my misunderstanding before was that when a medium would say your grandmother standing right beside you, she's kissing you on the forehead.

00:24:49 Shannon

I don't.

00:24:51 Shannon

Some some mediums do Rick Hansie operations or shadows I don't.

00:24:56 Shannon

I just have a feeling of like, there's this grandmother that's standing next to you and she's kissing you on the ice. In my mind's eye, I see her kissing you and calling you butterfly or whatever it is like. And they'll say yes, because that was my nickname. I can just almost like imagine her. It's it's like an imagining of somebody said to the point where it will feel like you're making it up sometimes.

00:25:18 Shannon

OK.

00:25:19 Shannon

Did I invent this person or are they a real person and only when the person says yes, that's my grandmother you just described and I'm like, OK, I didn't make.

00:25:27 Shannon

That up and.

00:25:29 Shannon

That's the key is. That's why we meditate as mediums, because we have to get to know our own energy and what that feels like, so that when another energy comes into the space.

00:25:40 Shannon

We can recognize the difference between. This is me and when I say me, I don't mean Shannon.

00:25:46 Shannon

This is what my soul's vibration feels.

00:25:48 Shannon

Like and it's.

00:25:49 Shannon

Subtle. It's subtle. Only sometimes does the spirit come in with such force that I'm like, OK, that was not me, like, at all. I was out the other night.

00:25:59 Shannon

At a bar.

00:26:00 Shannon

And I live in Prescott, AZ and I was out.

00:26:04 Shannon

And I just.

00:26:05 Shannon

Was talking to.

00:26:06 Shannon

A friend and then I just said.

00:26:09 Shannon

Like, hold on. Somebody named Rachel just wants to make herself known. And I said, do you? I just met this guy recently, so I don't know anything about him. I said.

00:26:17 Shannon

Do you know?

00:26:18 Shannon

Someone named Rachel on the other side.

00:26:19 Shannon

And he's like, yeah.

00:26:21 Shannon

And I'm like, she's a young girl and she showed me bicycles. He's like, that's my.

00:26:24 Shannon

Friend Rachel, she was.

00:26:25 Shannon

A cyclist and he's like she haunts this whole town.

00:26:29 Shannon

Because everyone says they.

00:26:30 Shannon

See her cause. She died when she.

00:26:31 Shannon

Was 18 and I said, well, she's not haunting it, but she died.

00:26:36 Shannon

At 18. But he's like.

00:26:38 Shannon

People have said they see.

00:26:39 Shannon

Her in Sedona? Flagstaff.

00:26:41 Shannon

And I said that. And so the rumors that she haunts these places well.

00:26:46 Shannon

I'm new to town so I didn't.

00:26:47 Shannon

Know of her? And I'm like this girl, Rachel.

00:26:49 Shannon

'S like I'm here. I'm here and I said.

00:26:50 Shannon

She doesn't haunt. She's not.

00:26:54 Shannon

But she's, which is like an imprint of.

00:26:56 Shannon

She is. She passed to leukemia when she was 18. She just. I keep getting chilled cause I've invited her to to be in my space. I just talked to her earlier because I want to know more. And I said no. What it is is she's around the.

00:27:11 Shannon

People that she used to know.

00:27:13 Shannon

Because she just she.

00:27:15 Shannon

Died young and she was a lover of life and she just.

00:27:19 Shannon

She didn't even have a message for him. She just wanted to be like I'm here.

00:27:22 Shannon

Hanging out still, she.

00:27:24 Shannon

Likes to go to the bar. She likes to hang out and be around people because she didn't get to do that as long as she would have preferred.

00:27:33 Shannon

She's at very much at peace. She's not haunting anything. She's not in a bad place. She just is on the other side. But she's also loves to be around this energy because this is the town she grew.

00:27:42 Shannon

Up in and loves, so is.

00:27:44 Shannon

This beautiful thing I'd never met her before. I'd never heard of her, but she just made herself known because I.

00:27:50 Shannon

Heard Rachel like.

00:27:51 Shannon

So loud that I was like that.

00:27:53 Shannon

Is of spirit for sure.

00:27:55 Shannon

And then I felt tingles. I'm like she's here.

00:27:59 Shannon

But sometimes they don't have anything to say. Sometimes they just want to.

00:27:59

That's wonderful.

00:28:01 Shannon

Be like hi. Yeah, yeah.

00:28:05 Shannon

I was kind of looking for a.

00:28:06 Shannon

Message, but there wasn't one.

00:28:08 Merrily

Yeah. And I don't know if you've experienced this too, as in reading sometimes that's that's really all they do is just they kind of just.

00:28:16 Merrily

Show up that.

00:28:17 Shannon

Makes me feel better because sometimes I'm like grandma's here and she passed this way. Yeah, yeah.

00:28:23 Shannon

That's all I.

00:28:24 Shannon

Got. I don't know. Like.

00:28:26 Shannon

I think you're it's usually when the person's pretty healed and they're fine and they don't really carry any burdens or regrets. I'm like she just wants to say that she's here and let you know.

00:28:36 Shannon

She's. She's here. I don't have this big.

00:28:39 Shannon

Where is the.

00:28:39 Shannon

Key hidden look under the chest that.

00:28:41 Shannon

I buried in the backyard or.

00:28:44 Shannon

It's OK that you weren't there when she died. Like, sometimes that's a message. And then sometimes there's.

00:28:48 Shannon

No message, just like.

00:28:50 Shannon

Hi I love you. I'm here and I.

00:28:54 Shannon

Just and, like she's identified herself. And that's about all I got.

00:28:58 Shannon

So it's nice to know that isn't just me, because sometimes I'm like really, you're just going to pop in and not.

00:29:02 Shannon

Say anything more, all right?

00:29:05 Shannon

But they know what you need to hear better than I do. So my ego wants it to be a big mic. Drop my ego.

00:29:14 Shannon

Them to tell me something and it's not.

00:29:15 Shannon

Because I want people.

00:29:16 Shannon

To be like.

00:29:17 Shannon

Shannon is the best medium. It's because I want to know that what I'm doing is that I'm on track, that I'm doing my job correctly, that I'm interpreting for spirit correctly, because I don't work for my client. I work for the spirit world.

00:29:33 Shannon

The only reason I charge clients is because I have to because it's my expertise and my investment of of time and energy, but really.

00:29:42 Shannon

As mediums, it's our job to work for the spirit world.

00:29:45 Shannon

Because they're the ones that, yes, I care about my client very much.

00:29:51 Shannon

I'm very invested in my client, but that is I have to get out of that wanting to please them because that's then I'm not doing my job. My job is spirit wants to get a message to them and I need to do that job.

00:30:04 Shannon

To the best of my ability. So it's not about me and sometimes.

00:30:07 Shannon

I don't get.

00:30:07 Shannon

The validations that I want and I think that wasn't a good reading and then my client writes me and says.

00:30:14 Shannon

It made me feel so much better and I feel so healed and and I'm going. That wasn't that good. That wasn't one of my.

00:30:19 Shannon

Better ones but.

00:30:21 Shannon

Spirit knows that they heard what they.

00:30:23 Shannon

Needed to hear or all feel like.

00:30:25 Shannon

Why didn't they give me more evidence?

00:30:26 Shannon

Because I feel.

00:30:27

Right.

00:30:27 Shannon

Like I need to.

00:30:28 Shannon

Convince this person and they're like I already knew. As soon as you said her name, that you. That's all I needed.

00:30:33 Merrily

I believe you, I trust.

00:30:34 Shannon

You and I'm like.

00:30:35 Shannon

Why do I feel like I?

00:30:36 Shannon

Have to do jump through 10 hoops when?

00:30:38

Right.

00:30:39 Shannon

I was already there, client already was with me.

00:30:43 Shannon

It's we have to.

00:30:44 Shannon

Let go of our own.

00:30:46 Shannon

People pleasing our own ego.

00:30:48 Shannon

To do this work right?

00:30:49 Merrily

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, again, very well articulated. It's something that I've been describing to other folks. It's like you, your ego, right, has to step aside. And sometimes you might look.

00:31:02 Merrily

A fool are yes.

00:31:04 Shannon

That's the biggest, don't you? I mean, there are times like what? I don't think people realize is like, right before.

00:31:09 Shannon

Reading we get.

00:31:10 Shannon

Nervous. I get nervous that what if nothing happens? What if?

00:31:15 Shannon

I suck. What if I don't? What if I'm in a weird headspace and it doesn't work and I could tell you I've only ever not been able to read like a handful of people and it's because. And then later I always ask, OK, show me why? Why couldn't I read them?

00:31:29 Shannon

Because the soul wasn't ready to communicate, the person wasn't ready to hear it. Sometimes the person is closed down, not in.

00:31:37 Shannon

A way that's.

00:31:39 Shannon

They're they they don't know that they are because everyone that comes to me is word of mouth. So I've never had someone go. I'm a skeptic. Prove me wrong. It's.

00:31:48 Shannon

Always that it's like for whatever reason.

00:31:51 Shannon

They don't know.

00:31:51 Shannon

A lot about.

00:31:52 Shannon

Their loved ones. I've had that happen too. Where?

00:31:55 Shannon

Everything I said.

00:31:56 Shannon

They're like, no, no, no, no, no. And I'm like, what is?

00:31:58 Shannon

Happening here and then they.

00:32:00 Shannon

Say, well, I don't really know a lot.

00:32:01 Shannon

About my family or.

00:32:03 Shannon

The only person that I've lost is my.

00:32:05 Shannon

Grandma and she was 95 and I was like 15.

00:32:09 Shannon

At the time and it, we weren't even that close. And then I'm like, OK, well, that's why I'm not getting a lot. But I recently had some a friend from high school come to me and.

00:32:20 Shannon

That day I was excited because I said all right, I said, you know, I I I don't know her. Well, we were in different groups in high school. She was popular and I will. And I was like, we didn't know each other. She was in the cool, cool kids crowd, right?

00:32:35 Shannon

I said OK well.

00:32:37 Shannon

I think I have your dad, but I.

00:32:38 Shannon

Didn't know that your.

00:32:39 Shannon

Dad passed and she said, well, I didn't post about it. I didn't share on Instagram, so I was like, OK.

00:32:44 Shannon

Much glad that your dad died, but.

00:32:46 Shannon

I'm glad that.

00:32:46 Shannon

That was validated because I felt him all day.

00:32:48 Shannon

And I was like.

00:32:49 Shannon

I don't think she lost her dad because I feel like I would have heard through the.

00:32:53 Shannon

Right. No, she's like, I didn't talk about it. And then once we got there, I couldn't get anything. And she said, well, in life, he was extremely shut down emotionally. He was not communicative. He was very distant. And I was hoping that he would come through to.

00:33:09 Shannon

Make amends about it. And I was like, darn it. But then I also remembered that sometimes spirit tells you something about themselves, not just for information.

00:33:19 Shannon

Because they're acknowledging that that they were that way. So sometimes an absence of information is information in itself. So Dad was like, I'm not talking. He wasn't mean or anything. He just was, like, not comfortable talking to me.

00:33:32 Shannon

And he was.

00:33:32 Shannon

Like not giving me anything I didn't get.

00:33:35 Shannon

A name.

00:33:36 Shannon

I didn't get.

00:33:36 Shannon

It how he.

00:33:37 Shannon

Passed. I felt like what is wrong with me?

00:33:40 Shannon

I can't why am I not? I mean, it should be a.

00:33:43 Shannon

A slam dunk.

00:33:44 Merrily

Like right?

00:33:44 Shannon

I got him here. I know he's here and at the at the end of it, I'm like, you know, I think I'm.

00:33:49 Shannon

Gonna try again.

00:33:50 Shannon

With her, I was like we're.

00:33:51 Shannon

Going to try again in.

00:33:52 Shannon

Like 2 months but and see if it's any different or.

00:33:55 Shannon

If he's just not.

00:33:56 Shannon

Talking, but it's not that he's not.

00:33:58 Shannon

Talking because he's trying.

00:33:59 Shannon

To punish her.

00:34:00 Shannon

It's not that he's not talking because he wants.

00:34:01 Shannon

To make her feel bad.

00:34:03 Shannon

You think he's conveying to?

00:34:04 Shannon

Me, I don't talk.

00:34:06 Shannon

I don't show emotion. I don't share. And in saying that, he's acknowledging I was this way and in a way that's.

00:34:13 Shannon

An apology? I didn't.

00:34:15 Shannon

Tell her he was apologizing because.

00:34:17 Shannon

I didn't know that for.

00:34:18 Merrily

Sure. Right.

00:34:19 Merrily

But I know.

00:34:20 Shannon

The way spirit operates.

00:34:21 Shannon

And they don't. They're not. They don't want to make you feel bad. They.

00:34:24 Shannon

Want to? They want to help you heal.

00:34:26 Shannon

Doesn't matter who they were in this life. A spirit is a spirit.

00:34:29 Shannon

Even if in life they were abusive, even if they were.

00:34:34 Shannon

In jail because they murdered someone there.

00:34:37 Shannon

Typically here to help you heal, and so they usually will say, hey, I know I wasn't the most communicative, so maybe that's what he was just trying to say to me and I wasn't picking it up like I I'm not comfortable opening up to people and she's like I'm. She's like, it's fine because I'm at peace, she said I'm not really in grief.

00:34:56 Shannon

Or anything I'm.

00:34:56 Shannon

Just was hoping he would mention it.

00:34:59 Shannon

And I'm like, like he did, I think he.

00:35:01 Shannon

Kind of just did.

00:35:03 Shannon

I was hoping that he'd be like I love.

00:35:04 Shannon

You my child.

00:35:06 Shannon

I'm so sorry that I was such a, you know, a jerk. And I wish I'd been more loving, but I don't want to put words.

00:35:12 Shannon

In his mouth.

00:35:12 Shannon

Yeah. Or say something just to make her feel better. If it's not. If I'm not sure that that's.

00:35:17 Shannon

What the message is?

00:35:21 Merrily

So hard. Yeah, I know.

00:35:23 Shannon

Because we don't get to choose, I don't get to pull it out of him if he doesn't feel comfortable and maybe our energies just aren't in resonance.

00:35:32 Shannon

I'm very open and he's very shut down so.

00:35:35 Shannon

Maybe there's this?

00:35:36 Shannon

Energetic feeling of we're just not quite on the same wavelength. We're just different vibrations. And sometimes I might say there might be another medium who can do better for you, but I've also had it where I couldn't read someone.

00:35:40 Merrily

Right.

00:35:50 Shannon

And so I said, well, let me bring in another medium friend because I can't figure out why I can't read you, umm. And she had wanted to connect with her husband.

00:35:59 Shannon

She wanted to connect with her husband.

00:36:02 Shannon

And I got one little thing.

00:36:04 Shannon

But that was.

00:36:05 Shannon

It and her mom, I said. But your mom wants to talk about, like, not really being there for you. And she was like, I don't want to talk to her. I don't.

00:36:14 Shannon

She's British and very like I don't. Nope, I don't want to speak with her. I don't. I don't need. And I said, well, she feels she needs to apologize. And she's like, no, I'm fine. There's no bad blood.

00:36:23 Shannon

I don't need to talk about it so.

00:36:25 Shannon

I just thought, well, that was a bunk reading, and then I brought my other friend in.

00:36:29 Shannon

I was like can.

00:36:30 Shannon

You help me with this because I want to see was.

00:36:32 Shannon

And me?

00:36:33 Shannon

First thing he says to.

00:36:34 Shannon

Her. Your mom's here.

00:36:36 Shannon

And he did not know anything about her.

00:36:37 Shannon

At all I just said I had a really troublesome like I.

00:36:40 Shannon

Couldn't get through.

00:36:41 Shannon

This, and she's like, well, I don't want to talk to her. And he said, Shannon, she was so hard to read because she wouldn't. She wasn't willing to.

00:36:48 Shannon

Receive what? What was?

00:36:49 Shannon

There she wanted something else and that made me feel.

00:36:54 Shannon

Validated that it isn't up to me who comes through. Your husband was stepping aside because he knew you needed the healing because your mother wasn't the mother that she.

00:37:03 Shannon

Should have been to.

00:37:03 Shannon

You and she's like ohh it's fine.

00:37:05 Shannon

We don't need.

00:37:05 Shannon

To talk about it, you know how British people can be very reserved and they don't.

00:37:09 Shannon

Want to share their stuff, but at the?

00:37:11 Merrily

Right.

00:37:11 Shannon

End of the day, her husband stepped aside.

00:37:15 Shannon

Because he knew that.

00:37:16 Shannon

First things first.

00:37:18 Shannon

But you didn't want.

00:37:19 Shannon

To hear.

00:37:19 Shannon

It so there can be that too, that they can be, not unknowingly blocking whatever's coming through. Not that I don't think.

00:37:27 Shannon

They mean to do it. It's just.

00:37:30 Shannon

That's not what I expected to hear. That's not what.

00:37:32 Shannon

I want to hear.

00:37:35 Merrily

Yeah, that's a a really good articulation of that as well because yeah, you're like, I don't hear from that person. I don't hear from this person and it's just.

00:37:43 Merrily

Like, well, yeah.

00:37:45 Shannon

I always start every reading by saying Spirit will tell you what you need to hear, not what you want or expect to hear. And they're usually one in the same.

00:37:54 Merrily

Right.

00:37:54 Shannon

Have to be open minded because you might.

00:37:58 Shannon

Want to talk to one guy and then suddenly?

00:37:59 Shannon

Somebody you knew when?

00:38:00 Shannon

You were 12 is going to come through.

00:38:02 Shannon

Because it's right now what you need to hear, there's something that you need to hear. Maybe right now you're feeling like. Like I went to a medium.

00:38:12 Shannon

Years ago, Susan Schuler, who's a friend of mine now, and she was.

00:38:16 Shannon

Great, but the.

00:38:17 Shannon

Whole reading, nothing resonated. And I was like, oh, no. Did I just waste my money, right. I just come all the way. Did I just drive all the way to?

00:38:24 Shannon

Santa Monica from.

00:38:25 Shannon

The valley, like for this and.

00:38:28 Shannon

Oh, I was. My heart was sinking. Well, after the reading, I went and talked to my mom.

00:38:32 Shannon

And everything she said was for my mom.

00:38:35 Shannon

My mom was like all of that's correct. You didn't know this was going on.

00:38:39 Shannon

What happened was her my mom's best friend came through to tell my mom you are a very good caregiver. You took care of me when I was dying of cancer. And don't you ever question that. And I'm like.

00:38:53 Shannon

So Mom said, well, I haven't vocalized it, but my grandmother at the time was dying a slow, painful death. And my mom was doing everything for her and wanting to be there for her and loved her mom.

00:39:05 Shannon

But her mom, we now realize she just was so UM.

00:39:09 Shannon

She was with it, but I think she had, like this kind of dementia where it's not real dementia, but she.

00:39:14 Shannon

Was getting very paranoid.

00:39:16 Shannon

As she was dying, and so she was accusing us of stuff and being really not herself and being very mean. And she was giving my mom such a hard time.

00:39:25 Shannon

That my mom secretly was bearing this burden alone and didn't talk to anyone about it.

00:39:29 Shannon

And she said.

00:39:31 Shannon

I'm just broken down and I actually think I might need to go to therapy because your grandma's just criticizing me. Everything I do and talking about how great my brother is, but.

00:39:41 Shannon

You know not, but just everything I do is wrong and she's feeling hurt. And her friend came through to tell her you don't. You need this message today. I didn't need a reading. I just wanted to go because.

00:39:52 Shannon

It was cool.

00:39:53 Shannon

And at the end of the day, all the messages were for my mom because she.

00:39:56 Shannon

Was going through something.

00:39:57 Shannon

That I was not aware.

00:39:58 Shannon

Of so, sometimes spirit will use you.

00:39:58

Right.

00:40:01 Shannon

To speak to somebody else. And so you have.

00:40:03 Shannon

To be open.

00:40:03 Shannon

To that, that maybe it's your best friend's mom coming through. Maybe your best friend needs the healing.

00:40:11 Shannon

You know their mom marsha's coming.

00:40:12 Shannon

Through to be like.

00:40:14 Shannon

Hey I need her to know this.

00:40:15 Shannon

And you're like, who's this?

00:40:16 Shannon

Lady and you?

00:40:17 Shannon

Don't putting it together that it's like.

00:40:18 Shannon

Oh, it's not for me, it's for somebody else.

00:40:21 Merrily

Right. Yeah, that's that's a hard one too.

00:40:23 Shannon

Yes, I know.

00:40:26 Shannon

As a medium, it can be tricky.

00:40:29 Shannon

But it also is beautiful the way that.

00:40:30 Merrily

Oh for sure.

00:40:32 Shannon

It works, it's just.

00:40:33 Shannon

Sometimes I'm a little slow. I mean, I'm like, all right, it took me a while to figure out what's happening here and here I am.

00:40:39 Shannon

Going oh, I.

00:40:40 Shannon

Miss, I suck. I'm not doing this.

00:40:41 Shannon

Right. And then you realize, oh, no, it wasn't me.

00:40:45 Shannon

I just wasn't. I wasn't being open minded and letting and trusting.

00:40:50 Shannon

There you go. Yeah, like so.

00:40:50

Right.

00:40:52 Shannon

It's it comes down to a lot of trust.

00:40:55 Shannon

And what the message?

00:40:57 Shannon

Is is just trust that what?

00:40:58 Shannon

You're relaying is being said for a reason.

00:41:02 Shannon

It doesn't let you have to let.

00:41:04 Shannon

Go of perfection. It's in any.

00:41:06 Shannon

Communication with spirit. It's like you gotta.

00:41:11 Shannon

Put the oars down.

00:41:12 Shannon

And stop rowing the boat. You're just sitting in.

00:41:14 Shannon

The boat.

00:41:18 Shannon

The ripple like let the let the boat the Boat rock with the.

00:41:22 Shannon

Waves and just sit there and beg.

00:41:25 Shannon

Let spirit take the orders and that's something that in life we don't do.

00:41:29 Shannon

A lot of the time I think a lot of us are trying to have control over everything. And So what I've learned is it's like a free fall, so every every single reading.

00:41:38 Shannon

I'm jumping off a Cliff without a parachute, and I'm trusting that there's a net down there.

00:41:43 Shannon

And that's and there always is.

00:41:45 Shannon

Even if the net is like, we're not ready to talk.

00:41:47 Shannon

Right now, but you're OK, it's alright.

00:41:50 Shannon

It's like you just got to trust, OK, that that didn't work the way I thought it.

00:41:53 Shannon

Was going to and it's part of the process and.

00:41:55 Shannon

This isn't the Shannon show.

00:41:58

This is.

00:42:00 Shannon

A healing experience for the person sitting across from me, and I am literally just.

00:42:05 Shannon

The conduit. I'm just asking spirit to use need to get.

00:42:09 Shannon

To help them, that's all.

00:42:13 Shannon

That's my big. That's my big speech about trust, yeah.

00:42:19 Merrily

So I have like this. It's not a strain, it's kind of a strange question, but I'm trying to. Oh good. So I'm trying to think like project into the future of like let's say that going to mediums is sort of a regular thing for people.

00:42:24 Shannon

For a strange question.

00:42:37 Merrily

What do you think?

00:42:38 Merrily

That function would be. How would that function would be for people as like a I'm trying to say this kind of what I'm thinking in terms of like an industry or like does that make sense like?

00:42:52 Merrily

Why would people regularly go to mediums?

00:42:54 Shannon

Oh, yeah, yeah, that's a good question, because I can think of some answer for.

00:42:56 Merrily

Why? Yeah.

00:42:58 Shannon

Answers for that.

00:43:00 Shannon

Well, it. Well, here's the trick is that.

00:43:05 Shannon

For one person to go to a medium regularly, I don't actually advise that.

00:43:08 Merrily

Oh, right, yes.

00:43:10 Shannon

So I'm going to.

00:43:10 Shannon

Start there.

00:43:11 Shannon

Because and I tell my own clients and I have clients that I do allow to come to me because.

00:43:18 Shannon

It's helping them and.

00:43:21 Shannon

I don't let them come every week. First of all, I don't want to take it more, I don't want.

00:43:25 Shannon

To take advantage of their umm.

00:43:28 Shannon

Grief, right. And I want this to be in their best interest. So the concern.

00:43:33 Shannon

There is that if.

00:43:34 Shannon

You start going to mediums all the time it can.

00:43:36 Shannon

Become an addiction.

00:43:38 Shannon

It's like I'm in grief and it's never going to feel OK.

00:43:44 Shannon

But sometimes people will use mediums.

00:43:47

It's OK if you're.

00:43:48 Shannon

Getting therapy and grief support like that's good. And then if you just want to use medium ship as like a.

00:43:54 Shannon

A little like a supplement. I. I'm all for that. So I do like if it helps you and it feel.

00:43:59 Shannon

Good about it. Great.

00:44:01 Shannon

But you also have.

00:44:02 Shannon

To sort of get in the place of.

00:44:06 Shannon

First of all, focusing on on grief.

00:44:09 Shannon

Recovery and I think that if someone comes to me all the time because they just want connection with their.

00:44:16 Shannon

Their loved one, it's going to prevent them sometimes from healing because they just are only getting this hit of like only feel good when I'm talking to through that to that person through you, a medium ship reading should be.

00:44:22 Merrily

Right.

00:44:28 Shannon

Like one good one where?

00:44:29 Shannon

The the spirits like. Hey, here's what you need to know. I'm here. I'm showing you. I'm here. Know that I'm always with you. Now let our new relationship begin. And then if you want to come back.

00:44:39 Shannon

Every six months.

00:44:41 Shannon

For a refresh of like what's happening in your life, but my concern is that if you keep going to medium or mediums.

00:44:48 Shannon

You're not.

00:44:50 Shannon

You're sort of depending on me, right? Instead of your own, the own your own souls wisdom to know how to communicate with your loved one and to do your own healing. Yeah. That being said, I think that mediums are awesome for a tool as like a modality.

00:45:06 Shannon

A good medium who has ethics.

00:45:09 Shannon

Because to me, I go to mediums for almost therapy, like sometimes I just need to check in.

00:45:15 Shannon

Of like what?

00:45:16 Shannon

Are my loved ones have to say or what?

00:45:19 Shannon

What's my life path? Am I on the right path and I haven't done in a long time just because I haven't really had?

00:45:25 Shannon

First of all, so many of my friends are mediums that I get stuff from them, but I think that if you're in a healthy place.

00:45:26 Merrily

Right.

00:45:33 Shannon

Any way, like you're you're healing in a like.

00:45:35 Shannon

Healthy way and you've got a lot of support.

00:45:38 Shannon

It can be really beneficial because it can really offer you hope.

00:45:44 Shannon

And inspiration and just the comfort of knowing that, OK, your person may not be here in the flesh and that's really hard.

00:45:51 Shannon

And I will acknowledge.

00:45:52 Shannon

That this doesn't mean that it's.

00:45:53 Shannon

Not going to be.

00:45:55 Shannon

Excruciatingly painful because you're still grieving the loss of the person in.

00:46:00 Shannon

The touch of, like their hugs, their laughter being able to lean on them for support, whatever it is.

00:46:09 Shannon

But there is value in just remembering that. Listen, this isn't all there is, and it's not your time to go now.

00:46:18 Shannon

But when your time comes, which seems like forever, from where you sit but in the.

00:46:23 Shannon

From the spirit side, everything happens in.

00:46:25 Shannon

The blink of.

00:46:25 Shannon

An eye so.

00:46:26 Shannon

Like before you know it, you'll be there and this will just all be like a quick dream that you had. And so you're going to be together again in the same form. You're both going to be in the spirit form.

00:46:37 Shannon

But it will all be good because you'll have the most incredible love you've ever felt. It's like we might miss. Like, if if our love if our partner dies, well, you know, sex is an intimacy that is very important in human connection.

00:46:54 Shannon

So you're going to miss that if your partner passes away, but on the other side, it's like, yeah, you'll be together again. You're not going to have bodies, so that's not going to be happening. But the connection of souls.

00:47:05 Shannon

Way beyond any kind of, like sexual connection, for example. And a lot of my clients will say, well, does my partner miss me on the other side? And I say no, because this is my opinion. I mean I don't you know, no.

00:47:20 Shannon

Don't take that the wrong way.

00:47:22 Shannon

They don't miss you because they're not without you because they are more part of you now than they ever were. They don't miss you because they don't feel there's no lack there, that you. They're actually more connected with you than they were in this life. So to them, they're part of every single waking moment of your life.

00:47:25 Merrily

Right.

00:47:41 Shannon

Which sounds crazy because it doesn't mean they're sitting there next to you, like staring at you all.

00:47:45 Shannon

Day or like.

00:47:47 Shannon

Watching you shower, watching you sweep the floors.

00:47:51 Shannon

They're doing their stuff on the.

00:47:53 Shannon

Other side and enjoying.

00:47:54 Shannon

The peace and the bliss. Sometimes they're even.

00:47:58 Shannon

Recreating realities in which they're doing the things they did here, so if they really liked fishing, they're fishing on the other side with like.

00:48:06 Shannon

Because they can create their own.

00:48:08 Shannon

But they're kind of like Santa Claus, where they can be in all places at once, so their consciousness is aware of every single thing you're doing. But time doesn't exist on the other side. So that sounds really boring to you and me. Like, if I had to sit and watch you do things.

00:48:23 Shannon

From six as much as I.

00:48:25 Shannon

Love you. Like if it's six in the morning.

00:48:27 Shannon

Till you drop at 10, watching another person live their life all day, that sounds incredibly boring. But it's not like that. They're not.

00:48:35 Shannon

They don't feel.

00:48:36 Shannon

That sense of hours and hours have gone by. It's just that when I do readings, the one thing they always tell me and show me is.

00:48:45 Shannon

They'll identify moments of your day, they'll tell me. Uh, you know earlier when you were cleaning the sink and my clients, like I was just cleaning the sink. And I'm like, well, I'm it's the most banal thing for them.

00:48:56 Shannon

To bring up but.

00:48:58 Shannon

They're bringing it up to let me know that they were.

00:48:59 Shannon

There, even though they were here.

00:49:02 Shannon

Right. They're Everything Everywhere. They're every, every, it's everything, everywhere, all at once. They are able to be with you and with their.

00:49:13 Shannon

Surviving child or their?

00:49:17 Shannon

They can be with all of you at the same time, so it's not a competition for like who gets who gets Mom's attention, mom is.

00:49:25 Shannon

Is there with all her.

00:49:26 Shannon

Kids and everyone she ever loved that is still.

00:49:28 Shannon

Living and her mom on the other side.

00:49:30 Shannon

And her dad on the other.

00:49:31 Shannon

Side it's really hard for us to comprehend because we don't have the same.

00:49:36 Shannon

Paradigm of what time and spaces. So it's really amazing to me that the things they show me, I'm like you want me to say.

00:49:44 Shannon

Turkey sandwich and they're like and then the person says, yeah, I literally just made a.

00:49:47 Shannon

Turkey sandwich. I'm like they're just like, hey, I was there.

00:49:51 Shannon

I saw you put mustard on your sandwich, and it's like we're having a medium chip reading and this.

00:49:56 Shannon

Is what you're.

00:49:56 Shannon

Bringing through, it's like, OK, I had one where I was like, I just saw you folding laundry. She's like, because literally just before we got on this call, I was just folding laundry. And I'm like.

00:50:08 Shannon

It sounds so boring, but there's a reason it's it has a much more profound meaning that it sounds.

00:50:13 Shannon

Thank you very much.

00:50:16 Shannon

That they're there always.

00:50:19 Shannon

It's us. It's we who miss them.

00:50:21 Shannon

We're stuck in this dense reality where time just goes on and on. Time flies when you're having fun. Well, when you're in grief.

00:50:27 Shannon

You're not having fun.

00:50:29 Shannon

So it seems like a really long, painful. This is never going to end kind of feeling which is so valid, but I think that to answer your.

00:50:37 Shannon

Question because I got off.

00:50:38 Shannon

Track is that there is a real.

00:50:41 Shannon

I think more and more people are.

00:50:43 Shannon

Opening up to.

00:50:45 Shannon

What we do, and I'm meeting much fewer skeptic.

00:50:49 Shannon

Most people I tell.

00:50:52 Shannon

Explain what I.

00:50:52 Shannon

Do are like. That's so cool. Wow.

00:50:56 Shannon

Maybe like one or two people are like.

00:50:59 Shannon

And I just.

00:50:59 Shannon

Drop it. You know? Like, what do you do for a living? I'm.

00:51:02 Shannon

Like well.

00:51:04 Shannon

I kind of sometimes I'm like, I'm an actor or whatever. I can kind of tell. They're not the type. But then sometimes I'm like, I'll just casually throw it out there and just see if they're my people or not. And I'll be like, and I'm a medium, and then they'll go.

00:51:16 Merrily

So anyway and.

00:51:17 Shannon

Then I just kind.

00:51:18 Shannon

Of drop it or.

00:51:19 Merrily

Yeah. Move along.

00:51:19 Shannon

If they yeah, move it along or they'll say ohh wow. Tell me more about that. And so I find that more people are really open to it and interested in it, but.

00:51:27 Shannon

I think that.

00:51:29 Shannon

I don't think there's more of a demand than ever before, but I definitely feel like there's more receptivity to it. And also as we.

00:51:37 Shannon

We've gone through so many awful centuries and times and wars and Holocaust and all of these really awful things. So the things that are happening now seem really awful because, at least in my lifetime.

00:51:50 Shannon

And I'm middle-aged too, so I've.

00:51:51 Shannon

You know, I've had opportunities.

00:51:53 Shannon

The two things that stand out.

00:51:55 Shannon

Is like the worst of.

00:51:56 Shannon

The worst where 911 and what's happening now with, you know, between Israel and Palestine.

00:52:00 Shannon

It's like because it affects all of us. It's it. It affects all of us, no matter it doesn't.

00:52:07 Shannon

It's the worst thing I've seen since, like experienced in my lifetime, and yet.

00:52:13 Shannon

So it feels like there's a this is a really dark, especially dark time. There's a lot of spiritualists who are saying we're in this really horrible time because.

00:52:22 Shannon

People need to see that there's like from a soul evolution that we need to change.

00:52:28 Shannon

Where it's like.

00:52:28 Shannon

The shifts hitting the fan like that, we're really at that crisis point and that from this new roots are going to grow now I like.

00:52:35 Shannon

To believe that.

00:52:37 Shannon

That we're being confronted with this because we're about to have this huge revolution of peace. I don't know that I.

00:52:45 Shannon

I mean, I'd love to believe that, but I also think this kind of stuff has gone on.

00:52:51 Shannon

Forever and ever and ever since the dawn of time, it does feel particularly bad because it's the worst I've experienced. And I know that it's affecting a lot of my friends personally, whereas a lot of wars are like, that's so sad and how terrible, and I hate that that's happening and I'll send money. But when it's happening and affecting people that are your best friends.

00:53:09 Shannon

Who are afraid to, you know.

00:53:11 Shannon

Go through the world because.

00:53:12 Shannon

Of what's happening and they're.

00:53:13 Shannon

Afraid for their safety it become.

00:53:16 Shannon

More so my.

00:53:17 Shannon

Point is, with all the scary stuff that's happening.

00:53:20 Shannon

There is such a need for that kind of comfort to.

00:53:23 Shannon

Remind us that.

00:53:25 Shannon

It doesn't mean that we don't care, and we just turn a blind eye because it doesn't matter anyway because nothing's real and we live in a matrix.

00:53:33 Shannon

And yet nothing's real. And we live in a matrix and it's all a simulation. So.

00:53:39 Shannon

It kind of reminds me all the time that.

00:53:42 Shannon

Try not to get sucked into the darkness because.

00:53:47 Shannon

It's important to care, but not to your own detriment.

00:53:51 Shannon

And your own mental health and you can't be of service to anyone if you're not mentally well and so.

00:53:59 Shannon

In those circumstances where there's literally nothing you can do about it right now.

00:54:03 Shannon

Other than pray.

00:54:05 Shannon

Pray, I mean, that's people think that might sound trite, but it does actually create a frequency of love that seems so trite in light of the horrors that are.

00:54:16 Shannon

Happening to people.

00:54:18 Shannon

But I think that more and more people are looking for that comfort because we're in a world where we're all in, or at least in our country, we're all in Prozac because.

00:54:27 Shannon

We're not meant to be. There's a storage of technology stimulation information.

00:54:35 Shannon

All this stuff has been happening all along, but we didn't know about it because we didn't have social media and the news and every time you pick up Instagram, it's like ohh somebody with another horrible story. And so I think in this day and age where we really need to get back to our center.

00:54:49 Shannon

Spirituality is sort of coming back to the forefront.

00:54:53 Shannon

And people are looking for ways to cope and ways of making sense of the horrors in the.

00:54:59 Shannon

World as well.

00:55:00 Merrily

Right.

00:55:03 Merrily

Yeah, I I kind of. Yeah, I definitely see that too. And again, you put it really well about sort of you know.

00:55:09 Merrily

Just kind of carrying, but not to your own detriment. That's such a great reminder for people, for me, for everything. Yeah, because for.

00:55:17 Shannon

Like a couple weeks there I was getting.

00:55:20 Shannon

Really. I mean obviously like I want to know what's happening, but I'm actually feeling traumatized.

00:55:25 Shannon

By this.

00:55:25 Shannon

To the point of.

00:55:25 Merrily

Right.

00:55:26 Shannon

Like this is so traumatizing and yes, I need to see it so that I know it's real, but I.

00:55:31 Shannon

Don't need to see.

00:55:33 Shannon

What can I do with that information? Yeah, like.

00:55:37 Shannon

I'm glad that I care, but what can I?

00:55:39 Shannon

Do I can't?

00:55:41 Shannon

Lie out there and do anything about it. So I'm just trying to remember that it might. I sound. I feel kind of.

00:55:43 Merrily

Right.

00:55:49 Shannon

Useless. Just saying. Well, I'll just sit here and pray and meditate for peace. But it is actually important. Yes, to do that and to show love to the people around you. And also, what can you do locally? So even if it's showing solidarity in some way, showing your friends that you care, I normally don't post political stuff because I do not want to get. I'm not here to argue with anybody.

00:56:12 Shannon

Take sides.

00:56:15 Shannon

Some of my friends were like no one speaks up for us and I was like, these are my best friends and they're like no one saying anything. And so I posted a few things which were extremely neutral.

00:56:27 Shannon

And like all they were, was just more about like.

00:56:30 Shannon

Loving one another than anything, but even then there was. There were people getting upset, but I was. I am going to make an effort to say something, to support my friends because.

00:56:34 Merrily

Right.

00:56:40 Shannon

Everyone's too afraid to say anything. And because they don't want that but little things, even if you don't want to do that, that's totally fine. If you want to protect your own.

00:56:48 Shannon

Serenity. It's like even just locally, like feeding somebody that's homeless or going the extra mile to make someone.

00:56:57 Shannon

Feel loved or buying someone a coffee behind you or.

00:57:00 Shannon

Just showing some kind of a kindness. It doesn't have to be.

00:57:03 Shannon

A big volunteer organization. It can be the smallest little kindness like you know.

00:57:08 Shannon

There's a guy that's homeless that lives on my.

00:57:11 Shannon

Street and just kind of like, I stopped and talked to him the other day and was like, hey, what do you like to eat? Because I've got stuff in the fridge and I said, is there anything that like, you won't eat or you will eat?

00:57:20 Shannon

And he's like, I don't like spicy food.

00:57:21 Shannon

You know what? I'm just like, I'm not. It's like, look, I've got the guy sits out there every day waving to people. He's so friendly and he's really.

00:57:28 Shannon

Nice and clearly very help, like mentally healthy. He's a vet.

00:57:32 Shannon

So it's like, hey, if I can just like, give him some lasagna or something, it doesn't change the world, but it's like putting that energy into the world of connection. It's like, that's something little you can do.

00:57:49 Merrily

And I know because.

00:57:50 Merrily

You've interviewed quite a few of people who've had near death experiences and over and over again they talk about it's those little things that that keep coming up right in the all the life review that are the big things, you know.

00:58:00 Shannon

Yes, yes.

00:58:04 Shannon

It's so true. That's.

00:58:05 Shannon

So true and it's not, and obviously we don't do it for points. We don't do it. It's it's we do it.

00:58:10 Shannon

For love, because we are my.

00:58:13 Shannon

The whole thing is we.

00:58:14 Shannon

Are one, so I don't care what.

00:58:18 Shannon

If you are an animal, a plant, a person.

00:58:22 Shannon

With dark skin or light skin, or you're this religion, or that religion, or you live in this country or that country. It does not matter.

00:58:30 Shannon

We, even the people who do horrible things, their souls.

00:58:35 Shannon

Maybe not. Their bodies and their brains may have forgotten who they are. We are all literally one energy that our.

00:58:43 Shannon

It's like a string of where all have this like nucleus. That's the same thing and then we're all strings of the same nucleus. We're just having different experiences. And so at the end of the day, it sounds maybe simplistic because it's like, well, I'm not one with that guy or I'm well, you are, though. I mean, you might not want to associate with them and.

00:59:03 Shannon

Nobody likes to think that they're.

00:59:06 Shannon

One with some kind of a murderer or something, but the bottom line is like our essence, our soul, our light, and so our vibration does affect that murder, whether we it's a ripple effect.

00:59:18 Shannon

You're not going to probably see it in this lifetime, but on the other side.

00:59:23 Shannon

It will make sense that that we are, we are being loved and raising the collective vibration to.

00:59:30 Shannon

Just. Yeah, just to to create more love and to to deflect negative entities and negative energies and really attract the light. So it may seem futile, but it isn't it actually.

00:59:45 Shannon

We'll understand when we get there. And like you said, that's what a lot of my near death experience Experiencers have relayed is that you don't have to save the world, you just have to love the people around you the best you can and be kind to the people. And it does not mean cross boundaries that are unhealthy for you. You don't have to be.

01:00:04 Shannon

You can love with an open palm.

01:00:05 Shannon

You don't have.

01:00:06 Shannon

To be closely engaged with the person, but you can say, look, I have compassion because that person is on this other journey and I am going to avoid.

01:00:15 Shannon

Being around that energy, but I can still pray that they find peace or learning or.

01:00:22 Shannon

And I just pray for their soul to.

01:00:25 Shannon

To find that peace in their heart and that love and maybe they won't in this in this lifetime.

01:00:31 Shannon

But I acknowledge that you are me and I am you. So if I judge you, I'm I can't judge you.

01:00:39 Shannon

Because we're all just doing our best with what we're with, the tools that we have, even people who do really, really bad stuff, they're literally just doing their best with what they.

01:00:50 Shannon

Within their capacity, it doesn't mean like you you excuse their behavior, but you can try to just be like look.

01:00:57

We're all.

01:00:59 Shannon

Messed up in some way, we're.

01:01:01 Shannon

All affected by this world in different ways and.

01:01:04 Shannon

Some people are.

01:01:05 Shannon

Like, do really bad things, but I.

01:01:07 Shannon

Can still sort of.

01:01:10 Shannon

Try my best to love the.

01:01:11 Shannon

Soul that they are.

01:01:13 Shannon

Even if I.

01:01:13 Shannon

Can't love the person that they are.

01:01:18 Merrily

Oh, that's great. Yeah. Sometimes in meditation or about my day, I'll be, like, kind of like you don't understand how hard it is down here, man. You know, I think you know what I mean. Like, you know.

01:01:29 Shannon

Feel like? Yes, we do. Yes, we do.

01:01:29 Merrily

It's all.

01:01:30 Merrily

Nice. Like I. Yeah, I know. But like, when you're in it, you're like.

01:01:33 Shannon

But yeah, in it it's.

01:01:35 Shannon

Like why there's so much bad stuff. There's so much great, beautiful stuff too.

01:01:39 Merrily

Oh, for sure, yeah.

01:01:43 Shannon

It you just like, you know, you see the things that people go.

01:01:46 Shannon

Through and you're like this is this is.

01:01:48 Shannon

Terrible. And you're like, why are

01:01:51 Shannon

People having to go through this stuff and the answer is because.

01:01:56 Shannon

I've heard it said that we come here by choice. All of us, right? Because we know it's the hardest place to Incarnate into.

01:02:04 Shannon

That it is the most difficult, challenging, painful and our souls know that. But our souls on the other side are like we're just going to go down there for a minute and come right.

01:02:12 Shannon

Back because they don't in that moment have the sense of how.

01:02:17 Shannon

Low vibration. It is here and so while we're here, we're like, are you kidding me? Why would I choose this? The soul is like because when you're back there, you'll see that it was just like that. It went really like it feels long to you, but it's.

01:02:28 Shannon

Because here everything.

01:02:30 Shannon

'S slower. We choose this because we know it's the hardest place, and we're going to have the most growth.

01:02:36 Shannon

I used to think when I was.

01:02:38 Shannon

Younger that that was just.

01:02:40 Shannon

BS I was like, that's just what people have.

01:02:42 Shannon

To tell themselves so.

01:02:43 Shannon

That they I always thought religion is the opiate opiate of the people and that's why people are religious. I'm not religious either, but you know, I was like, well, we have to create religion to make ourselves feel better because otherwise this world sucks. And how do you justify all horrible things that have happened?

01:02:47

Right.

01:03:01 Shannon

Yeah, I when I was an.

01:03:02 Shannon

Atheist was like, yeah, it's just a way to, like, soothe yourself so you don't have to face how really.

01:03:07 Shannon

Awful it is.

01:03:08 Shannon

Mm-hmm. And I still think it is.

01:03:11 Shannon

The opiate but.

01:03:12 Shannon

It's. It's my opiate too. Only now I know it's actually real or I believe it is. I can't say that I'm no more than anyone else.

01:03:20 Shannon

I just personally believe.

01:03:22 Shannon

I have seen enough evidence to know.

01:03:23 Shannon

That there is.

01:03:25 Shannon

And afterlife.

01:03:26

We are.

01:03:28 Shannon

Consciousness does not die.

01:03:30 Shannon

Energy remains. Love Is All that matters. Connection is all that matters, and so even if I'm wrong, I'd rather live like this.

01:03:41 Shannon

And be wrong and then die and not know anything and then just have it all fade to black and like there's no consciousness. But I know that's not what's gonna happen. I've seen it. I mean, I've seen too much.

01:03:51 Shannon

Evidence of it myself, I partly became a medium to prove to myself that it was real.

01:03:56 Merrily

Right.

01:03:57 Shannon

And now I've had enough experience from like there is no possible way that I could be getting this information if there if there wasn't something else happening.

01:04:07 Merrily

Yeah. And I would say sort of, you know, we talked about sort of the.

01:04:13 Merrily

I don't want to say negative, but like the the hardness of being here, but I will relay that you know, I hung out with a friend of mine for many hours yesterday, walking her pet rabbit around like Seattle, one of the Seattle parks and.

01:04:26 Merrily

It was.

01:04:26 Merrily

Great. But what I noticed when we were having a conversation about the sunset that happened here in Seattle on Friday.

01:04:33 Merrily

And we were both talking about how beautiful it was. One of the people we were passing was also talking about how beautiful the sunset that we had on Friday was, I had recall.

01:04:43 Merrily

It's like seeing on Instagram how you know people sharing their pictures of how beautiful the sunset in Seattle was. And I was.

01:04:51 Merrily

Like you know.

01:04:51 Merrily

I don't know.

01:04:52 Merrily

If it was, I've never noticed people.

01:04:55 Merrily

Caring about the sunset or whatever, but for whatever reason that day it was like, oh wow, they're like, everybody noticed the sunset and that.

01:05:01 Merrily

Is that's pretty cool.

01:05:04 Shannon

It is. It's uniting. I live in Arizona, in the mountains where the sunsets.

01:05:09 Shannon

It's not just like once.

01:05:10 Shannon

In a while, it's every single night.

01:05:11 Merrily

Every day? Yeah.

01:05:12 Shannon

It's like the best sense that you ever saw.

01:05:14 Shannon

In your life. And so I do.

01:05:17 Shannon

I love it because I've been driving for Amazon Flex and I come home. My shift ends right as it's sunset and I put on.

01:05:25 Shannon

My high vibe.

01:05:28 Shannon

And I just watched the sun and I and.

01:05:30 Shannon

I just talked to, I talked to my spirit guides and.

01:05:32 Shannon

I'm like.

01:05:34 Shannon

I just talked to them about all the things that I want to see in the world and like how I want things to go and I'll say hey, spirit guides, angels, God, Jesus, ascended masters, all the all the loved ones just now is our time to commute on my hour drive home. It's like I just want to look at this guy, listen to instrumental music and listen to spirit.

01:05:53 Shannon

Talk and I'm like, look at this world. Look how beautiful it.

01:05:57 Shannon

Is. Yeah, like, look at how beautiful it.

01:06:00 Shannon

Is it's just.

01:06:00 Shannon

Sucks that they're people who have to.

01:06:02 Shannon

Mess it up, I'm like.

01:06:03 Shannon

Man, if you could just.

01:06:05 Shannon

Get it together. Like, look at what we're how are we fighting? Look around you. What a miracle this all is. And you're fighting about religion or like.

01:06:15

It's just.

01:06:17 Shannon

It doesn't make any.

01:06:18 Shannon

It's like.

01:06:19 Shannon

This could all be great. I used to live in Virginia and when.

01:06:22 Shannon

I lived there we go.

01:06:23 Shannon

To the battlefields and I always thought.

01:06:24 Shannon

That like, look how.

01:06:26 Shannon

Gorgeous this country is and.

01:06:28 Shannon

You guys all wasted your time.

01:06:32 Shannon

Spiring cannons at each other when you.

01:06:34 Shannon

Could have just been having a picnic.

01:06:35 Shannon

On the lawn like instead.

01:06:36 Merrily

Thank you.

01:06:37 Shannon

Of trying to steal everything from everybody and like.

01:06:38 Merrily

Right.

01:06:39 Shannon

Why didn't you just come here?

01:06:40 Shannon

And be like, hey can.

01:06:41 Shannon

We can we hang out can.

01:06:43 Shannon

We come here too and like, be friends, I don't. Everybody had to get all upset and steal everybody's steal people.

01:06:48 Shannon

'S stuff and.

01:06:49 Shannon

Conquer and divide. And I was.

01:06:51 Shannon

Like if you.

01:06:52 Shannon

Just looked around, you would have noticed that you guys are in.

01:06:54 Shannon

The most.

01:06:54 Shannon

Beautiful land and maybe you could have just had.

01:06:57 Shannon

A party instead? Yeah, what a waste.

01:07:00 Shannon

It's a waste of time and.

01:07:02 Shannon

Energy like look at this beautiful field.

01:07:05 Shannon

You fighting in?

01:07:06 Shannon

It for, but I guess then we'd have nothing.

01:07:09 Shannon

To learn and truly they that's a good point.

01:07:12 Merrily

But I guess in the in our.

01:07:14 Merrily

What we would.

01:07:14 Merrily

Have been talking about is like nature is such a patient teacher, you know like like how beautiful I am just going.

01:07:21 Merrily

To be beautiful.

01:07:23 Merrily

And hopefully you'll see that and chill out.

01:07:25 Shannon

Exactly, but it's too much to hope for, I.

01:07:28 Shannon

Think, but we get it.

01:07:29

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:07:32 Merrily

That's all we can do, yeah.

01:07:35 Merrily

So we are, so we're wrapping up. I do you know, but I I love like your podcast is so great if I haven't already. I mentioned it at the top. But you have like just a great.

01:07:42 Shannon

Thank you.

01:07:47 Merrily

Voice as well.

01:07:48 Shannon

Oh, thank you.

01:07:48 Merrily

And you're a voice artist. I'm like, no wonder you're so good.

01:07:52 Shannon

Thank you.

01:07:55 Merrily

But I guess one of my questions just to kind of so people get a nice flavor for magic is real, like what is something that you've learned from hosting the show for, I think is it 2 or?

01:08:04 Merrily

Three years now, yeah.

01:08:04 Shannon

Yeah, I think it's, yeah, it's going on. It's going on three I think. Thank you for. Yeah, thank you for your support and listening. It's so means so much. There's, as people say, there are so many podcasts out there and I know it's overwhelming. And I'm always like, it's OK if you don't have time to.

01:08:20 Shannon

Listen, just but you.

01:08:21 Shannon

Just like subscribe, yeah.

01:08:24 Shannon

What I've learned.

01:08:26 Shannon

Is more just I I should say what has been validated because it's stuff that I feel like.

01:08:31 Shannon

I already knew.

01:08:32

But the main.

01:08:34 Shannon

Reason we're here is love, and it's so it's that simple that.

01:08:39 Shannon

We are here to learn.

01:08:43 Shannon

To navigate through this world.

01:08:46 Shannon

With love and we're not going to be perfect and that's OK.

01:08:50 Shannon

There is no heaven or hell.

01:08:52 Shannon

There is only. This is again, I say that as a fact. That's what I believe and that's what I've come to understand that.

01:09:01 Shannon

All of us are these beings of lights that are put into these different bodies to have different experiences. Some of us are meant to be Mother Teresa. Some of us are meant to be Jack the Ripper, whatever it is. But there's a reason for.

01:09:15 Shannon

It and it's.

01:09:17 Shannon

We choose these challenges for a reason, but strangely, it sounds kind of counterintuitive, but a lot, but it's all.

01:09:24 Shannon

For our souls evolution.

01:09:27 Shannon

And at the end.

01:09:27 Shannon

Of the day.

01:09:28 Shannon

Every single person has told me that when they've crossed over, pretty much I think I want to say every single person that they were taught that it's about love. That's it's about love. It's about loving people. And even when you're not perfect, which no one is going to be. So don't try. There's no point. Do your best.

01:09:47 Shannon

To be a good person and be kind and to love yourself, do everything you can.

01:09:53 Shannon

To lift other people up but take care of yourself. First, put your own oxygen mask on 1st. Whether that's through therapy, yoga, meditation, whatever healing modalities, because at the end of the day we're meant to not be perfect because that's how we learn.

01:10:10 Shannon

To be better. So when you have your life review.

01:10:13 Shannon

Don't worry about it.

01:10:14 Shannon

Even if you've done some.

01:10:16 Shannon

Pretty horrible thing.

01:10:17 Shannon

Things or regrettable things when you see your life review, it's not a punishment. It's not. You're.

01:10:24 Shannon

Going to watch.

01:10:24 Shannon

This, and I'm going to.

01:10:26 Shannon

Make you watch this until you bleed.

01:10:27 Merrily

Your eyes bleed. It's going to be.

01:10:30 Shannon

Let's review and there's going to be a loving presence there that some may call God. Whatever it is, there's this greater being there.

01:10:39 Shannon

That we'll walk you through it and say, OK, let's watch this and you're going to be put in the shoes of everyone that you interacted with. So if you hurt them, you're going to feel.

01:10:46 Shannon

Exactly what they felt.

01:10:49 Shannon

But it's not to punish.

01:10:50 Shannon

You. It's just to say.

01:10:53 Shannon

OK. And now we know right like that, that's how that felt and going forward we might we're not going to do that again, but then they're going to say, but look at the things that you did right, look at it'll be things you forgot about. Remember when that baby bird fell out of its nest and you nursed it back to health? Remember when this woman?

01:11:14 Shannon

On the street was crying and you said, hey, are you OK? There's little tiny things in the day. You'll be shown that made that woman feel love for the OR seen for the first time and so many years. And she went on to pass it on.

01:11:26 Shannon

To someone else.

01:11:27 Shannon

So when your life, having your life review, it's.

01:11:30 Shannon

Not a judgement, it's just an an experience.

01:11:32 Shannon

And a review.

01:11:34 Shannon

And you are loved through the whole thing. It's OK. OK what have we learned? There's no good or bad on the other side. There's no value.

01:11:41 Shannon

Of good or bad?

01:11:42 Shannon

It's just things that happen which sounds really hard, but it's we'll understand when we get there, but it's not a judgment.

01:11:49 Shannon

Of this was bad. This was good.

01:11:51 Shannon

These are things that happened. What did you learn? And at the end of the?

01:11:54 Shannon

Day you are loved.

01:11:56 Shannon

You are all loved unconditionally.

01:12:00 Shannon

And that can be hard to remember. It can.

01:12:02 Shannon

Be hard to.

01:12:02 Shannon

Feel but.

01:12:05 Shannon

Part of our mission here is also to remember how to love ourselves.

01:12:10 Shannon

Not like I said, like I love my. I mean, yeah, I love my body and my face and my like, it's not.

01:12:18 Shannon

That it's like.

01:12:19 Shannon

Really loving yourself, no matter.

01:12:21 Shannon

Unconditionally because you know that you are.

01:12:24 Shannon

Light. You are actually of just this ball of light.

01:12:28 Shannon

The things you've done that were regrettable, you didn't know better at.

01:12:31 Shannon

The time now you.

01:12:31 Shannon

Do and self forgiveness and self love and then you can have enough love to.

01:12:38 Shannon

For it to spill over, if you've got enough love in your own cup, then that love can spill over and spread to other people. So at the end of the day.

01:12:46 Shannon

Love one another? Be kind be of service.

01:12:50 Shannon

As long as you're taking care of yourself first, don't do it at the expense of your own well-being. Don't do it. Don't fall over yourself to to please other people, or to do things for others. Don't do it to get points. You do it because you have so much love within your heart that you have enough leftover to spare.

01:13:08 Merrily

Love it. Love it.

01:13:10 Shannon

Thanks for coming to my.

01:13:11 Shannon

Ted talk, yes.

01:13:14 Merrily

So good, I like the image of like having you just do it because the love.

01:13:18 Merrily

Is it's too much to hold in your body? You know it's too big for this now, you.

01:13:23 Merrily

Got to like.

01:13:24 Merrily

Spread it out, yeah.

01:13:26 Shannon

And that's it.

01:13:27 Merrily

Yeah, right. That's good.

01:13:30 Merrily

And and I know you have started another podcast. I'm amazed because one podcast for.

01:13:34 Shannon

Yes, thank you.

01:13:36 Merrily

Me is an effort.

01:13:38 Shannon

I'm learning that I'm learning that and now I'm like, what did I get myself into? But I really wanted.

01:13:42 Shannon

To do a podcast, yeah.

01:13:46 Shannon

From before I did this one, my first idea was I want it because I had lost my voice. I was depressed and I was like, I want to do a podcast about people overcoming obstacles. But I think I wasn't quite there yet and I was.

01:14:00 Shannon

And and then I realized that this was more important to me at the time this topic, but now that I've explored this topic pretty thoroughly, I'm ready to hear people's stories of overcoming adversity. So, and and that doesn't mean like I'm now perfect and everything's grand. It's listen.

01:14:19 Shannon

I it's it's stories like.

01:14:22 Shannon

I lost both my parents. Then my dog died. Then I got cancer. Then I.

01:14:25 Shannon

Did the and.

01:14:26 Shannon

Just when you think like I I how am?

01:14:28 Shannon

I going to do this.

01:14:30 Shannon

Ultimately, you find your way through it and you've recovered in enough to be able to say, hey, I'm. I'm actually having joy again. I've healed in certain ways. I've learned this or that, and here are the insights that I've gleaned. I have hard days. Sometimes I'm not always happy, but I survived it and I'm thriving. Is the idea of it like?

01:14:50 Shannon

And thriving despite.

01:14:52 Shannon

Circumstances and I I started the podcast to inspire other people because I know I needed that when I was in.

01:14:59 Shannon

I was like, well, now you have no career and now it's a pandemic. And now.

01:15:03 Shannon

You're you and your boyfriend are like not getting along and.

01:15:06 Shannon

You know everything sort.

01:15:08 Shannon

Of was a tower moment.

01:15:09 Shannon

As they say in.

01:15:10 Shannon

The tarot card.

01:15:11 Shannon

It was this like everything's falling apart.

01:15:14 Shannon

And I don't even I'm like I'm too tired and I.

01:15:16 Shannon

Was thinking I'm sure I don't want to.

01:15:19 Shannon

I don't want to. I want to figure out my next start all over again, so I'd rather just go. I wasn't going to do anything. I don't mean it that way. I just mean like.

01:15:27 Shannon

I would just like to fall asleep and just wake me up when something's different. I I don't have any energy for this. I don't want to reinvent myself. I don't have any money. I don't know where I'm even going, how I'm gonna reinvent myself. So I give up. I'm done. Just leave me alone and put the blankets over my head. Well, again. Like I said, it's not like mine was the worst thing that could have happened to someone, but.

01:15:48 Shannon

For me, it felt.

01:15:49 Shannon

That way, and now I'm happier than I've ever been. So.

01:15:55 Shannon

I know I get it. Now I know why it happened. I understand perfectly why it happened and some things you might not have understand why they happened. But you're still able to.

01:16:05 Shannon

Make something positive, whether it's like there are people that you know unfortunately like for example lost a child, which is the worst thing you can possibly imagine, but now they're helping other people who've lost children. Now they've started a nonprofit for grief support. Now they're actually able to take their grief.

01:16:21 Shannon

And pour it into something you know. Maybe they lost a loved one, but they're they're now. They're now in a position to be able to be of service to other people in that same position. So that's kind of the kind of stories I want to hear. So if anyone had want wants to reach out, I know you'll have my.

01:16:39 Shannon

I think I gave you my e-mail address. It's just magic is real, Shannon. You can e-mail me at Gmail. Magic is real. Shannon at Gmail. I don't have a formal application. Just tell me your story and what you want to share. If you'd like to be on that podcast. And now just a moment. A matter of thank you for mentioning it. Getting.

01:16:51

Feeling good?

01:16:56 Shannon

People knowing it's there, so I really appreciate.

01:16:58 Shannon

Right.

01:16:59 Shannon

You know, right now we're at 25.

01:17:00 Shannon

Subscribers but like.

01:17:03 Merrily

Yeah, you know it keeps going.

01:17:06 Shannon

Yeah. I'm like, oh, yeah, this again, I forgot.

01:17:07 Merrily

The array, yes.

01:17:08 Shannon

That it's like how I have to.

01:17:09 Shannon

Start all over, but it's something that means a.

01:17:11 Shannon

Lot to me and I'm I'm.

01:17:12 Shannon

Excited too. I love the way you described.

01:17:14 Shannon

It too, it's like I want to.

01:17:17 Shannon

Like talk to extraordinary people, inspiring people.

01:17:21 Shannon

Not just a lot of crap happened to.

01:17:24 Merrily

It's like, yeah, yeah, a lot.

01:17:26 Shannon

Of crap happened, but what? How am I using it?

01:17:27 Shannon

For good now, yeah.

01:17:29 Shannon

Yeah, and like starting a new chapter. I think that's such a beautiful thing that can inspire a lot of people when they're in their darkest days.

01:17:36 Merrily

Oh for sure.

01:17:38 Merrily

And it's such a great and I love the title still standing, because every time it's like Elton John, right, that's Elton.

01:17:41 Shannon

Thank you. It's like.

01:17:45

Yes, and you?

01:17:46 Shannon

Know. I'm sure they're I.

01:17:47 Shannon

Think there are probably a lot of other.

01:17:49 Shannon

Podcast with the same name. Ohh but but I.

01:17:52 Shannon

Kept asking. I was like.

01:17:53 Shannon

Everything I came up with was so.

01:17:55 Shannon

It didn't. It was like I.

01:17:56 Shannon

Was like from tower to.

01:17:57 Shannon

Star. No, that's too esoteric. Like so I was.

01:18:00 Shannon

Thinking the tower card to the star, but.

01:18:01

Right.

01:18:02 Shannon

I'm like no one's gonna understand what that.

01:18:03 Shannon

Means and it's kind of weird, but then.

01:18:06 Shannon

I just I.

01:18:07 Shannon

And I thought of still standing. And then that same day, I was like spirit guides. Just show me what the name of it is. And a friend of mine hosted her mom.

01:18:15 Shannon

Just passed and her two elderly best friends had just passed and.

01:18:19 Shannon

She said. But I'm still standing and.

01:18:20 Shannon

I went. That's it.

01:18:22 Shannon

You just confirmed that. I just.

01:18:24 Shannon

Like the name. And I'm sorry if.

01:18:25 Shannon

Everybody, if it's other.

01:18:27 Shannon

People want to use it too, but it doesn't matter cause that's that just feels the most right. So thank you for mentioning it I.

01:18:32 Merrily

Really appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:18:35 Shannon

And I'll give you. I'll put links, I'll give you links to them too, yeah.

01:18:37 Merrily

Oh, Steve. Yeah. So everybody, it's going to be in the show notes.

01:18:40 Merrily

Don't worry about it.

01:18:41 Shannon

Thank you so much. I appreciate that. Thank you.

01:18:42 Merrily

I do the notes.

01:18:44 Merrily

Yeah, let's. So are there, is there anything else that you want to share about any projects or?

01:18:49 Merrily

Things or I mean.

01:18:50 Shannon

That's I think you really covered it well. I just, I thank you so much.

01:18:54 Shannon

For inviting me, thank you for mentioning the podcasts. And yeah, any questions anyone has, you can just e-mail me even for medium ship readings. I have a a website where you can book book sessions. But sometimes if you just reach out, we can find it between you and me, we'll.

01:19:11 Shannon

Be like when are you free? Right. We can do it that way too. It's just easy.

01:19:14 Shannon

Sometimes it's easier to just for me to look because scheduling software can sometimes be wonky and doesn't quite understand that I can't give 3.

01:19:21 Shannon

Readings in a day?

01:19:22 Merrily

All right.

01:19:23 Shannon

Like technically, the calendar is free, but I actually can't.

01:19:27 Shannon

Do that I need to do 1A.

01:19:27 Merrily

Right.

01:19:28 Shannon

Day and that's it, yeah.

01:19:30 Shannon

That where it's like my software doesn't quite.

01:19:33 Shannon

With yeah, work with medium ship like. Yeah, so that's it. But thank you so much for having me. It just means the world and I'm excited to have you.

01:19:42 Shannon

On magic Israel tomorrow.

01:19:43 Merrily

You too? I'm very much looking forward to it. Yeah. Well, so, thank you so much, Shannon.

01:19:49 Shannon

Thank you, marilee.

01:19:53 Merrily

A big grateful thank you to the awesome Shannon Torrence For more information. Do check out the show notes and definitely check out the Magic is real and still standing podcasts. Please remember to subscribe on YouTube or your favorite podcast platform to help get the message out there. Thank you for listening and for being a part of the casual temple.

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