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00:00:02 Merrily

Welcome to the Casual Template Podcast and you are listening to episode #16 and I'm your host Merrily Duffy. Here at the Casual Temple, we explore our profound connection to the world of spirit, which empowers us to know our true selves. If you're by being with our mystical and magical content, don't forget to hit that subscribe button on your favorite podcast platform. Today's episode. We welcome the wonderful Kimiko Kawabori.

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Kimiko takes us on a journey into her past, sharing what it was like growing up as an adoptee and navigating life as a sensitive and intuitive.

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Child, we'll be dipping our toes into the fascinating world of animism, the cornerstone of Kimiko's journey into becoming an ancestral healer. We discover how Kimiko's specialty, working with adoptees, helps them to find a place in the intricate and complicated tap St. the ancestral lineage. Stick around as we unravel the wisdom that Kimiko shares with us today.

00:00:50 Merrily

Welcome to the casual temple. This week we welcome Kimiko Kawabori, a practitioner of ancestral medicine and energy worker, with a unique focus on adoptees, Kimiko’s personal experience as an adoptee enriches her specialized practice in this field.

00:01:06 Merrily

Thank you, Kimiko, for joining us on the Casual Temple.

00:01:09 Kimiko

You're so welcome. Thank you for having.

00:01:11 Merrily

Me. You're thank you so much. Well, we're just going to kind of jump in to kind of get everything started, but can you start by telling us an early spiritual or paranormal experience, that kind of shaped who you are today?

00:01:28 Kimiko

Yeah, definitely. Uh. So when I was, I was younger. I had these like, I don't know, they just look like big black structures and they followed me. Seemed like they were following me everywhere, but they seemed to like, be really strong and take bigger form. When I was upset or angry or sad or something. And so, you know, it just made everything worse.

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Because I felt like I was.

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So crazy to see them like what is?

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And then later on when I started taking energy work classes and classes on how to manage my energy field, I decided to confront these structures so I hadn't seen them in a while. I was able to just lock them out after childhood and they told me that they were stone.

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People and that they were from my birth mother's hometown and they were sent there to protect me, to look after me, to make sure I was OK. They apologize. They were like, yeah, sorry, it was like.

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We freaked you.

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Out. But we needed to be there.

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Like just just sure we that you were OK. And I was like not cool. But I didn't know like where to put that. I didn't quite have a reference for what that meant until a few years after that, I learned that that hometown that my birth mother is from when translated it.

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Right.

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Means day of The Rolling Stones.

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So I was like, Oh my God, this is.

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I don't know. Wow, you know? And it it was very shocking. I still get, like, kind of like, goosebumps chicken skin thinking about it because it was such a wild coincidence.

00:03:09 Merrily

Well, how would you say? Because that's pretty amazing, especially I I've noticed that I'm sure you've experienced this like it's kind of those things that sort of happen in childhood that they don't really explain themselves until late later. And then you're like, of course that.

00:03:23 Merrily

Makes perfect sense.

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Sense Yep.

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Uh, so how?

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Would you say?

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I mean it's, you know, it took a while for you to kind of connect these two, two things, but how?

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Would you say?

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That that experience affected how you see the world.

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As an adult.

00:03:39 Kimiko

Yeah, as an adult, that was more of a, oh, that's kind of validating like I was supposed to see that I wasn't crazy. They were for me to see, like, that was OK that I was seeing it. So it was like a bit of a solve on the childhood.

00:03:55 Kimiko

Uh, I terror that that I felt.

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And it was also interesting because.

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You could. It started.

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To open my.

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Eyes to understand ways that ancestors can be with someone and that the testers are real, that the land is a real, a real entity. That was a big yeah. I guess it was mostly just validating some big value.

00:04:19 Merrily

Oh, wow. Yeah. So that's that's great that it was kind of a comfort at some point instead of a terror.

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Oh man, did you have any support?

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With this experience, or did you have kind of multiple experiences at all or and and was there anybody in your family or a friend of the family that was helpful and kind of going?

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To for this.

00:04:46 Kimiko

Yeah. No, I will say no when I.

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Was a kid, I.

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I lived in a a press aterian church and then.

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OK.

00:04:56 Kimiko

You know, seeing ghosts and spirits and energies. They were. It was not good. And then?

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In the church or reserves and that you were possessed by the devil's going to hell. So I was like, OK, I'm not going to talk about this. That's.

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That's not going to be a thing that I'm going to talk about, but later I I found a friend and she could see energies and spirits, and it was wild because she could see the same ones. I could see that add detail. It was I I felt kind of normal for the first time. I was like, oh, this is the thing this is.

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Not just a crazy thing. There's other people.

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And then she introduced me to a community called Intuitive Minds.

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And these people are. They're all current audience, they they are people that are like me and can are very sensitive to energies and earthbound spirits. And I feel incredibly grateful to this Community and it's it's led by Nancy, Rebecca and Yvonne Chilcott.

00:05:57 Kimiko

And they teach classes, and they're incredible people at helping.

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People like me.

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Come to terms with with the energies around them. And I also think that when I was a kid.

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The culture wasn't very.

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Friendly or seeing spirits and ghosts.

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It wasn't. There was nothing.

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Mainstream about seeing energy, so I also think it was.

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A bit of a.

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A symptom of the times too.

00:06:27 Merrily

Yeah, definitely. In today's world it's more acceptable, which or accepted which is.

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Great, still some work to do but you.

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Know we're getting there.

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Yes, exactly.

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And I'm I know. Because you grew up as an adoptee. I can only imagine that it's just like another layer. Like, I feel separate, you know?

00:06:53 Kimiko

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Because I didn't know if the gifts came from anyone. It. I didn't see it around me, and I just thought it was like, wow, this is so.

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Maybe I'm so weird, so thankfully I found my community now, but back then it was really difficult and I I didn't. I knew I was adopted and I I didn't know how people reacted to me being adopted with with.

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A lot of shock and like sorrow and grief, and I had my own as well. And it wasn't until I started understanding and reading about how adoptees are mentally and psychologically, physiologically impacted by.

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By being adopted and by being separated from birth family. But I started to really understand myself.

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And all of the grief, all that, that that adoptees carry from all of the losses and difficulty forming attachments and just generalized anxiety and confusion about identity abandonment issues. But I started to think, oh, OK, there this other.

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This is another layer within me and who I am that I need to figure out as well, so that's been a big part of the huge part of my journey trying to figure out my my identity as an adoptee and.

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Then of course, as someone who is in contact and connects with other parts of of of the universe, yeah.

00:08:25 Merrily

Oh yeah, and how?

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How have your so I know you're very empathic and have intuitive abilities. How would you say this was a two-part question? How looking back, how has that helped you and how has that hindered you in some ways in your life?

00:08:44 Kimiko

Yeah, yeah.

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When I was a child, it was definitely a hindrance. It was not a great.

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Because it was just very confusing, there was wasn't anyone to talk to about it. But later on in in life, especially after I learned how to manage my energy, it became.

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I'm not going to say a superpower, but it became something, something that I learned that I could integrate within within myself.

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And I can once I could learn what is my feeling versus another feeling how to separate them and how to know what's mine versus what's what isn't then that became.

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A really game changer for me, in order to understand how I can conduct my life and how I can, how I can keep my my energy strong. And now obviously I've made a business and I have my own business around working with energy and intuition. So it's become an asset to me. I've, I've I've allowed it.

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To become an asset now so like especially so I can help others.

00:09:52 Merrily

Oh, thank you. It was really well explained. So you mentioned that it was Nancy. Rebecca is a definitely sounds like.

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She's kind of a.

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Role model for.

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You would you say, along your path. I know we're going to get to an ancestral medicine and Daniel for, but kind of before that, did you?

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Have many other guides or books that were very helpful, either as an adoptee or as an energy worker that you you love.

00:10:22 Kimiko

Definitely intuitive minds. Nancy, Rebecca and her partner, Yvonne Kilcup. She I brought her with me to my first two trips here to Hawaii to search out my roots. And she was amazing at helping me ground and to all of my things that I was going through because.

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I'm the kind of person that.

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Will freeze and so I just knew that if I didn't bring her, especially her to help me ground and use all the tools that I learned from, from from them, that I would just sit in my.

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Hotel room like.

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Like, freaked out frozen. So she was absolutely.

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Instrumental in helping me get through a lot of my adoptee adoptee.

00:11:07 Kimiko

And then, of course, yeah, Daniel four. And then I had kumu Ramsey Tong. He is my Hawaiian culture teacher and.

00:11:16 Kimiko

Such a patient guy sat with me for hours, listening to all my stories and my questions about what it meant for as someone who was born in Hawaii but not raised.

00:11:28 Kimiko

Here, and someone who felt so much draw and connection here. Like, what do I do with this? How do I manage this? How do I think of how I am spirituality with my, with my spirituality? How did they match? How do they meet? He's an incredible teacher was very.

00:11:48 Kimiko

Helpful for me to to become grounded in.

00:11:53 Kimiko

Just any sort of knowledge that was around making Hawaiian.

00:11:57 Kimiko

And I love love. The book The Dark side of the light chasers by Debbie Ford.

00:12:03 Kimiko

Yeah, I growing up, I felt just wrong and bad and just dumb and like I just everything. I just couldn't do anything right. And I was just really struggling.

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And I didn't. I I was so scared to look at the dark side and do shadow work. I'd heard about Shadow work and that scared me so bad.

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But her book is very gentle in how it takes you into looking at darkness and the concept of darkness and what it means.

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Or who you are as a person.

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So it was very gentle and it helped me really get into those deep.

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Darker dark parts of.

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Myself that I was so terrified.

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And for.

00:12:46 Kimiko

Another book that wasn't very impactful was in in the adoptable is the the the primal wound by Nancy Verrier.

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She helped me understand. She does a really good job at breaking down the impacts of adoption on adoptees and how it impacts your development, how it impacts your brain all the different ways that.

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That it that.

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It creates.

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Things within us that are not like someone who stays with their biological family. It was the first time that I was able to see myself in my behaviors reflex.

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In like a body of science, I'm like, oh, I'm not just like

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Wired this you know in a bad way or a weird way. It's like there's actual reasons behind it that was incredibly helpful for me to to understand that part of myself.

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And really, any book or any documentary written by an adoptee is like gold to me because I can see.

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Myself reflected in their journey because so often it's been difficult for me to name how I feel. But when I watch these documentaries or read these books, then it describes things that that that give experiences names. And so that's been just really, really helpful.

00:14:14 Kimiko

Also, let's see Austin Costel of adoption. Mosaic has been incredible. She's really great at lifting up, adopting voices and helping.

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Educate about the adopted experience.

00:14:27 Kimiko

And then there's a lot of lot of TV that I like just because it helped make psychic things mainstream. So like the psychic Kids TV series.

00:14:37 Kimiko

Ohh my gosh.

00:14:38 Speaker 3

It's all about these little kids who are.

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Psychic and they see energies and they can go into a, you know, an abandoned.

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House and start to help.

00:14:49 Kimiko

Of course, the hope energy.

00:14:52 Kimiko

Oh, and it's such a.

00:14:53 Kimiko

It's so beautiful because they have coaches and people that help guide them along and and they really normalize the kids experience and I just like I sobbed through the first one like, you know, to have these kids be, so helped with such kindness and such validation.

00:15:12 Kimiko

Like, yeah, such a beautiful show and and then the ghost whisperer and the Long Island medium. Tyler, Henry. People that have helped bring mediumship.

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Are helping normalize.

00:15:28 Kimiko

Ghosts or something? Yeah.

00:15:32 Merrily

Wow, I need to see psychic kids, apparently.

00:15:36 Speaker 3

Good show.

00:15:40 Merrily

Yeah. And I haven't.

00:15:41 Merrily

Had another guest on it. He talked about like he was seeing all sorts of strange things from a baby, right?

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On but he he developed his own sort of way of kind of communicating with these entities and it worked out for him. But I was like, man I.

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Feel like kids?

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Need help you know with like that because they're just told. Don't. That's not real and it'll go away. And they're you're just like, or at least for me. I like petrified for hours.

00:16:07 Kimiko

Yes, totally. Yes, I relate.

00:16:12 Kimiko

To that so much, yes.

00:16:15 Merrily

So I know we're we're going to get into talking about ancestral healing and what that means, but I know that I was reading a lot of your blog entries and there's a a large emphasis on animism. So can you help describe what that is for the audience and how it relates to ancestral healing?

00:16:35

Right started.

00:16:36 Kimiko

Yeah, the animism to me how I understand it, it's like.

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That there are.

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All things have life energy, so there's life in rocks. There's rock people, there's tree people and.

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Mountain people water people, not just human people. So it's that everything has life and value and and.

00:17:01 Kimiko

The way that I see that it relates to ancestral healing is that I see so many, so many times.

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That well and healthy ancestors will talk about things in nature, and it's usually because.

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These family lines were very connected to these things in nature, so.

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Maybe there was a tree or something that was very useful and that was very important to the family line.

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And so for a.

00:17:28 Kimiko

Couple of examples from my from my background, my birth mother's father showed up as a star being and said that we were very connected to the stars and that we had a lot of connection to to to yeah to Cosmo.

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And then my birth father's mother's.

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Guide she showed.

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Up as a diamond and said that one of our blessings is that.

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We can turn into a diamond under pressure, but the the burden is that if we don't turn into a diamond, then we just crumble under pressure.

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And so.

00:18:08 Kimiko

Very connected to to those to those kinds of elements. And one of my favorite questions that I love asking my clients to ask their guides is.

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Where do their people source their energy from?

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It's usually things in nature, things like.

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Water like maybe a certain bottle of water or a mountain or a certain type of plant medicine.

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And so I think too that there's kind of this resurgence of ancestral healing.

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And animism, they were very.

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Kind of thought of as ancient and ancient practices of thinking.

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Of the earth as.

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Important and alive because the ancestors as important. So nowadays there seems to be kind of a resurgence of.

00:19:07 Kimiko

These two.

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Topics becoming normalized again. So I think that's how the level.

00:19:15 Merrily

Yeah, beautifully, beautifully explained. Thank you for connecting those two things. I like the idea of how they are relating, and especially since the ancestors and in your own experience and in my experience, they show you nature and things of nature all the time. So of course.

00:19:36 Merrily

Yeah, it's so great.

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Right.

00:19:38 Merrily

So we're just going.

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To move into sort of how you found ancestral, you know, ancestral medicine by the ending. For what made you seek it out just and then why you became like the whole story of like, now you're an ancestral healer. So let's hear about it.

00:19:54 Kimiko

OK. Yeah. The reason I chose to become an ancestor healer is because.

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After many many.

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Years of searching for my biological parents. It just.

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I just came to realize that I'm not going to be able to have a relationship with them.

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And you know, I did find my birth mother, but the conversation that I had with her was not great. I.

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I knew that.

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It was not going to blossom into anything else with my biological father, I wasn't able to necessarily like, like, find him. It just was a dead end.

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And so when I had, I finally just faced it that I was not going to be able to have these relationships that I wanted to.

00:20:34 Kimiko

Been I had heard about ancestors through my energy work classes.

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And I was always incredibly triggered and freaked out about it because I didn't know if my biological ancestors knew I existed. And then I didn't know my adopted ancestors actually thought that I was part of of their family, their lineage. But I didn't know how to. How to reconcile that, and how to even approach that.

00:20:59 Kimiko

But then I decided that I would just see and and then I that became kind of like my.

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New obsession was.

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Wondering and trying to figure out how.

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A doctors fit into the world of the ancestors, and so I did.

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You know the the feeling.

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I I feel.

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One of my lines, which is a requisite before you become a practitioner.

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Got so much out of that that I I just I needed. I needed more and I've gotten so much out of ancestral healing that I decided that I really wanted to help other people with my similar background adopt.

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These or just.

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Other people who feel disconnected from their families, we do the same thing as as I did and.

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The goodness and explore their their ancestor.

00:21:53 Merrily

Yeah. And I know that because you and I actually worked on a session or some of quite a few sessions working on my ancestral line and.

00:22:01 Merrily

I was telling you in this order.

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Pre chat that.

00:22:05 Merrily

Healing that one line has been was amazing, but man, the integration period.

00:22:15 Merrily

So that I'm kind of hesitant to do the other one, I I really want, I'm going to be doing the other lines, but I know how much work it is and how like emotionally, mentally and just like all the challenges.

00:22:30 Kimiko

Totally. Totally.

00:22:32 Kimiko

Yeah, absolutely.

00:22:34 Merrily

So can so with that. Can you describe the process of how you work with with the client in your ancestral healing sessions?

00:22:44 Kimiko

Sure. Yeah.

00:22:47 Kimiko

The client will fill out a form first of all, just to give me some kind of background on on who they are, what they want.

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To get out of this with.

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And then.

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Our first meeting I'll ask more about the the intake form and and.

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And we'll get into a little more about who your people are with us on and whatnot.

00:23:07 Kimiko

And then in that first session, there's usually time to do 2 out of the five steps. So the first step is where you do an assessment of your lineage.

00:23:16 Kimiko

And we all have 4 biological lines, so it's your mother's mother and all the mothers. The for her, your mother's father, all the fathers before him, father's father. All the fathers. For for him and your father's mother and all the mothers before her. So I speak engendered terms, but I don't.

00:23:37 Kimiko

Assumed to know any of the gender identities of your ancestors. Your people, I just use that as like a way to keep things organized.

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And if you're an adoptee or you have someone that wants to explore any other lines, and we can do an assessment of that as.

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And in this assessment, you just quickly check the health and Wellness of all the people. And it's not a time to get deep. It's not a time to really explore things. It's just to get a good general quick sense of how everybody's doing.

00:24:08 Kimiko

And then with the second step.

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You'll decide which of the lines that you want to work on.

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And then you'll go and meet the guide of that line, and the guide is the most recently deceased well and healthy ancestor that remembers all of the medicine, all of the magic, all of the power of your people, and can also help you do all the healing work. So you'll partner with that.

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Guide throughout your healing journey.

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And really work with them, develop really close relationship with them.

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And then step three is when you when the guide wrapped everybody in a healing cocoon and this cocoon is a place where all of the focused healing energy goes to help make sure that all of your your well, your ancestors are are well and healthy.

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And then the 4th step is when everybody gets released out of the cocoon and then they become well and healthy ancestors and then.

00:25:12 Kimiko

The step the.

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5th step is where all of that goodness and Wellness that has been realized in the people get brought to the living and living family members.

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And then that.

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Gets infused into into to you the client and then it goes and it flows out of you into the world.

00:25:36 Kimiko

After that step, there's a lot more things that you can do, especially if if you have field more than two lines, then there's harmonization so you can take two healthy lines and ask them to harmonize within themselves amongst themselves and then bring that harmonization into into your energy.

00:25:59 Kimiko

I love this stuff because not all of our ancestors have always been at peace with each other. There's been a lot of.

00:26:07 Kimiko

Things that have happened overtime and it's safe to maybe assume that not all of our ancestors have always been happy with each other, so it's a really good exercise to bring that collaboration together and then in into into your own.

00:26:25 Kimiko

And so exponentially like for the client. What they experience almost is like a guided meditation being.

00:26:31 Kimiko

Being walked through a guided meditation and as a practitioner, I hope you make sure that you hit all of the steps in the process. I help you kind of troubleshoot things as things get a little bit.

00:26:45 Kimiko

Using your stock, make sure you're grounded.

00:26:48 Kimiko

And I try to take verbatim notes on each session that I sent to you afterwards.

00:26:54 Kimiko

And yeah, that's that's the process.

00:26:58 Merrily

That was funny. You were mentioning about. I pulled out that you were mentioning about sort of the two lines not getting together and it was making me think of my own experience with my mother's mother's line. She's a she's Filipino. And in one of her lines, you know, and and.

00:27:14 Merrily

And this was in our our sessions together, the mother's mother's line, like it was coming through that.

00:27:20 Merrily

There's like a long line of healers, a long line of like very sensitive women in in the mother's mother's.

00:27:26 Merrily

And I haven't even really started officially working with the father's father's line, but like he was coming one of the ancestors kept coming to me in meditation, and he was showing me that he's very much like, like a very warrior. Like, right. So like, these two energies of these two things are kind of, you know, I see them playing out in my own.

00:27:46 Merrily

In me and then in all the women, like the women in my of these, this sort of contentiousness of like humor, but also like very hot heads. So like, OK, interesting.

00:28:00 Speaker 3

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:28:02 Merrily

So it's cool because it gives you a little bit of context of like, OK, there's.

00:28:07 Merrily

A story here.

00:28:09 Kimiko

Yeah, and it helps one understand that you're part of this bigger picture.

00:28:14 Kimiko

And so it helps you.

00:28:15 Kimiko

Understand that and then.

00:28:16 Kimiko

It helps you feel, at least for me, like empowered, like oh.

00:28:19 Kimiko

Yeah, I can be done about this, yeah.

00:28:21 Speaker 3

Yeah, exactly.

00:28:26 Merrily

So I did want to sort connect, you know, you did talk about being an adoptee, seeking out ancestral healing. So what is your perspective or what can?

00:28:36 Merrily

You tell other about.

00:28:37 Merrily

These, if they choose to pursue this.

00:28:40 Kimiko

Yeah, definitely, yeah.

00:28:43 Kimiko

I just feel so happy and lucky that I get to do this work because this ancestral healing has helped me fill in a lot of adoptive wounds that I tried to throw so many things at.

00:28:57 Kimiko

And it's just hit differently. I don't know how.

00:29:03 Kimiko

The the example that I can I can give a couple I can give like the I think the two biggest ones. The 1st is genetic mirroring. So the doctors don't get genetic mirroring which means that we don't have people around us that we can see ourselves reflected back at ourselves like we don't see someone that has maybe our same.

00:29:25 Kimiko

Gestures or same talk, you know, speech patterns or same facial structures or or body type or whatever. So we don't that genetic.

00:29:36 Kimiko

But with ancestral healing I.

00:29:37 Kimiko

Got to see.

00:29:38 Kimiko

It for the first time in my life.

00:29:42 Kimiko

And it was.

00:29:43 Kimiko

So unexpected I did not expect this, but I think that really this is where a lot of the gold can come in for adopting.

00:29:50 Kimiko

Because seeing this genetic hearing made me feel like any sense and just understand that I am part of something bigger. So like that? Both Mother's fathers guide the star.

00:30:03 Kimiko

When I asked the guy what our blessings were and what were some strong points of our of our family, he said that we have a bright shiny energy and I and I was like, OK, interesting and then.

00:30:18 Kimiko

He started to like download like help me understand what that felt like, what that meant.

00:30:23 Kimiko

And I was like, wait a second. I think I recognize this like and like, this is like I I recognize this energy. And he was like, yeah, because you you you are part of this energy. And I was like Oh my God, so it was the first time that I've been able to trace a behavior or something about me in someone else.

00:30:44 Kimiko

Like I'd never considered that a bright this bright energy that I sense within myself would come from a line I'd never been able to say this thing from within me comes from this place.

00:31:00

And it was.

00:31:01 Kimiko

So wild it was so fun for me to be able to do that for the first time, yeah.

00:31:08 Merrily

Oh wow. Yeah, that feels again. We use the word validating quite a few times because it's true, right? You feel like, oh, yeah. Makes sense now.

00:31:18 Kimiko

Sense. Exactly. Yeah. That example with the diamond either crumbling, hmm. Or becoming strong like a diamond. I'd never been able to articulate.

00:31:29 Kimiko

My personality is so well.

00:31:32 Speaker 3

I was like Oh my God that is.

00:31:34 Kimiko

Exactly. Me, I never would have been able to come up with those words.

00:31:37 Merrily

Ohh yeah, it's great too.

00:31:40 Speaker 3

It was so cool. It's like I.

00:31:42 Kimiko

Have roots that I can I can trace back to which just.

00:31:47 Kimiko

Is wild, and then for adoptees too, we have this abandonment wound where the ancestors don't. That doesn't really.

00:31:58 Kimiko

It doesn't really fly in the ancestral world because.

00:32:02 Kimiko

Are well and healthy ones. When we connect to them, they they they don't abandon us, they don't leave us. And as an adult it can be very easy to just think that everybody's abandoned you and that there's no support. But.

00:32:17 Kimiko

I think that we just haven't had the tools in order to figure out how to how to find the support that's that's out there and I think.

00:32:27 Kimiko

Ancestral healing has able been able to really help me.

00:32:30 Kimiko

See that that is.

00:32:32 Kimiko

But I've always had hope like this story with my stone people and just the fact that my ancestors keep showing up for me and that they're always there. And so that's been another big sell on my, like, adoptee brain to understand that I have people that are that are there.

00:32:52 Speaker 3

For me.

00:32:54 Kimiko

And then when I realized that I wasn't going to be able to talk to my birth parents, I had so many questions for them that.

00:33:01 Kimiko

I wanted to to.

00:33:02 Kimiko

That I that I wanted to know, so I brought them to my my, my well and healthy ancestors in that Council. I was talking about.

00:33:10 Kimiko

And I was able to get answers and information and it really helped me be able to actually feel like I was talking to some family ISH members that could understand and that that I was. I would I had access to someone. And so I feel like I.

00:33:29 Kimiko

Found a loophole.

00:33:31 Kimiko

In having access to my biological family because they're living, they can stop me from talking to them, but they can't stop me from talking to the dead. So I I I like. I like that I have. I'm still able to have access and so I'm really excited to be able to share this with with the doctors and other people who feel like they can't have.

00:33:51 Kimiko

Or they don't have access to the family members.

00:33:54 Merrily

Oh yeah, that's so great. Yeah.

00:33:58 Merrily

I like that that perspective as well, because I have, there's just a lot of estrangement that is in my family, so it's hard to kind of in a similar way, it's hard to really kind of get information about your family and also like kind of what's going on. So and I have found reaching back to sort of the the well and healthy ancestors have been really great.

00:34:20 Merrily

And in Daniel for his book ancestral medicine. Like, it's so funny. Like, I read the book. I thought it was amazing. I'm like, fine, I will do the I will do the process right. And I was like but every step of the way I was.

00:34:31 Merrily

Like I don't want.

00:34:32 Merrily

To do this part.

00:34:32 Merrily

Though, but I did it right like.

00:34:35 Merrily

It was like you know.

00:34:37 Speaker 3

You you seek out a.

00:34:40 Merrily

A helper a an ancestral guide like you kinda go. And then it was like ohh and go to a therapist. And I was like oh I.

00:34:46 Speaker 3

Don't wanna go.

00:34:46 Merrily

To a therapist. But I did. And then and then it was like, look at your ancestral, like, do a little like Ancestral Tree family tree work.

00:34:56 Merrily

I was like, oh, God, I don't want to do that.

00:34:59 Merrily

But he did it. But man, am I so happy I did though, because even on my dad's side there's a lot of struggles. Like, I mean, I know every every family has their struggles, but it took me like kind of reading sort of old articles where I was like, oh, this guy's like, my dad's mom's side of the family.

00:35:19 Merrily

He was fascinating because he came to America from Ireland at 7 years old, which I don't even understand how that happens.

00:35:27 Speaker 3

And got a job.

00:35:28 Merrily

At a textile.

00:35:30 Merrily

A textile company. And then so it was like this enterprising child of seven. It's like. But I saw a lot of myself in him.

00:35:41 Merrily

Because when I was a child, I was often just like, see you later and, like, would wander off and kind of just do crazy things and, you know, like three and four and five. And my I would get in so much trouble. But I was like, whatever, I'm going to.

00:35:55 Merrily

Be OK, don't worry about it.

00:36:01 Merrily

Yeah. So it was just like, oh, I see sort of the kindred spirit in that right, like, even though, I mean, I'm sure his situation was out of.

00:36:09 Merrily

A lot of necessity.

00:36:11 Merrily

And mine was more out of a lot of fun, but I saw a lot of, like, OK, this is like, a an interesting energy that exists in the family.

00:36:19 Kimiko

Exactly. And it came so naturally to you. It was like, oh, it's like, yeah, you just knew it.

00:36:20 Speaker 3

Yeah, yeah.

00:36:24 Kimiko

Because it was just, yeah, yeah.

00:36:25 Merrily

Do it, it's fine.

00:36:28 Speaker 3

That's so cool. Ohh yeah. Thank you.

00:36:31 Merrily

Ohh man, you might have to help me pronounce this next question.

00:36:35 Speaker 3

Can you tell me about the concept of oponopono oponopono. Yes. Thank you. Yeah. So I don't know super much.

00:36:48 Kimiko

Like, I'm not like an expert about this, but like what I understand is that.

00:36:53 Kimiko

It is generally the concept of asking for forgiveness and making rights. The concept of making right between people or people.

00:37:04 Kimiko

I am. Yeah. It's just the concept of asking for forgiveness. Making right?

00:37:12 Kimiko

I like that in this where Daniel has a whole like. I think it's a chapter, maybe even on the concept of forgiveness in ancestral healing.

00:37:24 Kimiko

It's something that we don't necessarily force on people if it just if it bubbles up and it comes naturally because forgiveness can be a really difficult, tough thing.

00:37:34 Kimiko

And it can be a very tender thing. It can be something that people may be not ready for. So whenever it just naturally comes up, that's when I start to suggest that whole point of one will be be done. Daniel has a prayer in his book and then to help people work through any sort of.

00:37:55 Kimiko

Forgiveness and.

00:37:57 Kimiko

I relate to what you were saying about like not wanting to do things in the ancestral healing process. As a practitioner, we had to do a forgiveness practice with someone and I was like, Oh yeah, that's not going to be fun. I don't want to do it. And but I did it with the most difficult ones, which were biological family.

00:38:17 Kimiko

And because I was really mad at them, I felt like they abandoned me. I felt like they gave up on me. I was like, you know, they just put my life in such a weird, horrible course. And how could they? And so.

00:38:31 Kimiko

But one thing I recognized in myself as when I when.

00:38:35 Kimiko

I confronted it.

00:38:37 Kimiko

Was that it was.

00:38:41 Kimiko

It it loosened things up. I don't know how to describe it. I was very like, stuck and stubborn in my anger and in my feelings of righteousness and in my feelings of of feeling like I did wrong. But.

00:38:55 Kimiko

I also started to understand that.

00:39:00 Kimiko

There could have been things that I might have done in a past life that I need to forgive, forgive, or ask the forgiveness and.

00:39:07 Speaker 3

I would like for.

00:39:09 Kimiko

And so when it brought it.

00:39:11 Kimiko

Full circle like that, it helped me understand that.

00:39:15 Kimiko

This could be very powerful work in in.

00:39:19 Kimiko

Letting go of that ego of righteousness and seeing a bigger picture of of what, of how things could be made right. If there's so many different opportunities and different layers, layers of that.

00:39:32 Merrily

Yeah, yeah, that was very beautifully explained, especially around you mentioned like sort of past lives and how they, you know, how it all relates to your present. And you know we all want to think we were wonderful people and and any of our incarnations. But you know, we're still here, so.

00:39:50 Speaker 3

Exactly. That's how I think.

00:39:55 Merrily

Ohh good and I know so I know in your on your website in the offerings that you do you have one that is called energetic insights. Can you describe what that looks like and how you help your clients?

00:40:11 Kimiko

The energetic insights is helping people see things in a different way.

00:40:18 Kimiko

When people asked for that for an energetic insights reading, usually they're coming with a.

00:40:23 Kimiko

They're bringing a.

00:40:25 Kimiko

Issue or a question or something that they're working on and they need help, help with and So what that issue or question does is it forms?

00:40:35 Kimiko

It sits in their energy. It forms it. It becomes part of their energy.

00:40:40 Kimiko

And I'm clairvoyant so I can see things and the way that my ancestors communicate to me is in colors and symbols. So I'll look at someones energetic field and.

00:40:53 Kimiko

I will read the colors and the symbols in their field and I will try to interpret it to the best of my ability, but it's really going to be up to them to figure out what it means for their their life.

00:41:07 Kimiko

And Speaking of past lives, sometimes past lives come up to.

00:41:11 Kimiko

To give like metaphors of.

00:41:14 Kimiko

Here is where this rooted well is rooted, and here's where this pattern is rooted. And here's why this feels like you've been working on this for so long, and it's not making any movement.

00:41:26 Kimiko

And so I'm able to see these things in the field. And then you have an option if to to clear the energy around it or or something else. I always give empower you to make a choice on how you what you want to do with the symbol.

00:41:44 Kimiko

Or the color if you want it changed or keep it there.

00:41:49 Kimiko

And then.

00:41:52 Kimiko

I joke that since I'm Japanese, my ancestors can't help but give homeless. So sometimes like, like homework things come up and like you need to do this or you have to do this. But it's like, hey, if you get caught up again on this issue or or or find yourself in the pattern, here's maybe a mantra.

00:42:13 Kimiko

That you could try to shift your brain or.

00:42:16 Kimiko

There is a deity you could focus on and do research on this deity. Find out more about that or a stone that maybe this stone is going to be very helpful for you to help shift yourself out of this pattern and.

00:42:32 Kimiko

I've learned that.

00:42:35 Kimiko

Because I used to get readings all the time.

00:42:37 Kimiko

All the time but.

00:42:38 Kimiko

I would get to a point where I would get the same reading over and over because I was not doing the work that was coming through. I wasn't making any of the shifts.

00:42:48 Kimiko

I learned the hard way that you could do all the energy work in the world, but until you're ready to actually.

00:42:56 Kimiko

Make changes and and and get after that healing and get after the change you want.

00:43:01 Kimiko

Nothing. Nothing is going to change. Everything will stay the same.

00:43:06 Merrily

Wow, I am probably going to steal that explanation.

00:43:11 Speaker 3

Go for it.

00:43:12 Speaker 3

Go for it.

00:43:14 Merrily

Yeah, it's hard to.

00:43:16 Speaker 3

Kind of you.

00:43:16 Merrily

Know because you want to be kind, right? When you're working with people but you're like, but you have to like you.

00:43:21 Merrily

Know for you.

00:43:21 Merrily

To heal.

00:43:22 Speaker 3

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:43:26 Merrily

I love it.

00:43:28 Merrily

Speaking of that, is there a favorite client story that you would like to share you know?

00:43:35 Kimiko

I don't know if I.

00:43:36 Kimiko

Have a favorite one story, but I will say that overall.

00:43:42 Kimiko

I've noticed that when people really dive into the work and they are committed to their healing and they just keep going for it.

00:43:51 Kimiko

The more their life changes and I love hearing about how clients lives have changed and.

00:44:00 Kimiko

I find that.

00:44:01 Kimiko

In general it just gives client people like movement and freedom in their in their life because they can move away from the things that.

00:44:12 Kimiko

They were stuck on or they can move away, away from the from the physical items or physical places that weren't supporting them.

00:44:21 Kimiko

And they can have freedom in their minds around thinking differently or freedom to think bigger, or freedom to think beyond what they thought was true.

00:44:31 Kimiko

And so those are my favorite client stories are when I hear how people's lives have lives have changed because of the healing that they've sought after, and that the healing that they've done themselves, yeah.

00:44:47 Merrily

Oh, very cool.

00:44:49 Merrily

Yeah. So it's it's kind of like an over over, over and over again.

00:44:52 Merrily

It's like the same.

00:44:54 Merrily

Thing and then you're like, oh, I get to.

00:44:55 Merrily

Hear a really cool story about just, yeah.

00:44:58 Kimiko

Yes, yes and I'm.

00:44:59 Kimiko

Just like, Oh my gosh, I can't believe that change. Great. That's amazing. I love this.

00:45:03 Kimiko

Yeah, I just get too excited for.

00:45:05 Kimiko

People, it's so cool.

00:45:08 Merrily

So now we're it's the kind of last thing, because I, you know, I saw your interview with Nancy, Rebecca, and you had this really cool story about dolphins. And I don't know if you want to share that with us, but it was really cool.

00:45:21 Kimiko

Ohh yeah, cool. Yes I can. So my adoptive father's family. They're from the little fishing village in Japan. And this village was featured in the documentary THE Code, which is a documentary about Japan's century old tradition of.

00:45:41 Kimiko

Capturing, slaughtering, selling dolphins and whales and.

00:45:47 Kimiko

When I first heard about it and I learned it was from our town, I was like, yeah, that's amazing. And then I looked at what it was, and I was like, God, this is horrible. Like, this is like, I cannot believe. I can't like, this is where my name comes from. Oh, my God. So I wondered, like.

00:46:07 Kimiko

And comically, what did that do to our family? What does it do to anyone in our in this?

00:46:15 Kimiko

And what does it do to me?

00:46:17 Kimiko

And and do.

00:46:18 Kimiko

I have a role in this and I do anything about this.

00:46:22 Kimiko

And so I started to.

00:46:27 Kimiko

Go to the dolphin and.

00:46:29 Kimiko

Whale energy and I bought, I mean.

00:46:31 Kimiko

I was. I was so ashamed that I was so embarrassed. I was so like.

00:46:38 Kimiko

And I just asked for apologies or asked for forgiveness. I gave apologies over and.

00:46:43 Kimiko

Over and over and.

00:46:45 Kimiko

I did landfilling, then I did all this work to try to right the wrongs and after a couple years I am going to dolphins with this same energy. They're like, yes, you know, thank you.

00:47:01 Kimiko

Yes. Thank you. You, by the way, you're not the only family or person who has been.

00:47:08 Kimiko

Mistreating us.

00:47:10 Kimiko

There's other families, there's other countries, there's other bigger systems out there that are part of.

00:47:18 Kimiko

Keeping us down and our slaughter and our sail like you're not the.

00:47:21 Kimiko

Only ones but.

00:47:23 Kimiko

So then I came back again with.

00:47:25 Kimiko

The same like oh.

00:47:26 Kimiko

My God, I'm so sorry. I'm.

00:47:27 Kimiko

So sorry. And they're like, yes, yes, we know.

00:47:31 Kimiko

And then they said, so how? What other kind of healing are you doing? What else have you been up to? How have you been? And and it just caught me off guard. Like ohh.

00:47:42 Kimiko

I guess, yeah, we could.

00:47:43 Kimiko

Talk about something else, I guess.

00:47:46 Kimiko

Like Ohh right there. Yeah, we could have a different conversation, I guess. And so this story has become one of my favorite healing journeys because I I learned that no matter how horrible, terrible I feel about something like, it just doesn't.

00:48:02 Kimiko

Help to stay in. Stay feeling that horrible way to keep.

00:48:08 Kimiko

Like beating myself up for something that my people did.

00:48:12 Kimiko

And what I learned from the Dolphins is that.

00:48:16 Kimiko

Relationships can change and and I was not allowing for any growth and change I didn't assume. But you know, going to something for two years with the same energy, it's not going to change. It's not. It's not going to so.

00:48:32 Kimiko

I we have a different relationship now when I see them in the waters, it's like this happy reunion. I used to like, cry and, like, hide from them like, Oh my God.

00:48:40 Kimiko

Don't see me right because I was so.

00:48:42 Kimiko

Guilty, but now?

00:48:43 Kimiko

I'm like, Oh my gosh.

00:48:44 Kimiko

Fine. How's it going?

00:48:45 Kimiko

And I, you know, it's a lot.

00:48:46 Kimiko

Of like happiness and joy and just appreciation for the work we did together.

00:48:52 Kimiko

And this feeling work doesn't change our family's history together, but it can.

00:48:59 Kimiko

But it's just really, really juicy to know a relationship like that can change, and that we can, as people can allow for that change in evolution.

00:49:10 Merrily

That's so great.

00:49:12 Merrily

Yeah, because basically you were just like, you know, you. Yeah, you were. You were there. You wanted to make.

00:49:17 Merrily

Me, apologies, but they were like thank you. Thanks.

00:49:19 Kimiko

Yeah. Yes.

00:49:21 Speaker 3

But we can move on. Yeah, so funny.

00:49:25 Speaker 3

Yes, I know it's so unexpected because.

00:49:29 Speaker 3

I think like.

00:49:29 Merrily

Dolphins would kind of have like, a good.

00:49:31 Merrily

Sense of humor, right?

00:49:32

Like like like.

00:49:36 Merrily

Oh wow. Yeah. So thank you for all your like wonderful stories and explaining in social medicine and your perspective as an adoptee. It's been so great.

00:49:46 Merrily

Can you tell us about some upcoming projects or events that you would like the audience to know more about?

00:49:53 Kimiko

Yeah, I don't have anything that's like in form yet, but I will say that I have been working with an adoptive mother and also a ancestral healer. Her name is Kari.

00:50:05 Kimiko

Kari Kari Grady Glassman and she and I have some projects coming out, but nothing, nothing yet, but I'm just so excited for us to bring this work in.

00:50:18 Kimiko

To talk about how ancestral healing can help adoptive families. So I'm just so excited for my collaboration with.

00:50:25 Merrily

That's so fun and.

00:50:25 Merrily

Then you have other people to kind of work.

00:50:27 Merrily

With that's really cool.

00:50:27 Kimiko

Yes, yes, yes, yeah.

00:50:30 Merrily

All right, so where can people find out more about you and the work that you do and all?

00:50:36 Merrily

That great stuff.

00:50:36 Kimiko

Yeah, yeah, my website origins within and I'm on Instagram, Facebook at Origins within as well.

00:50:46 Merrily

Very cool. And what words of wisdom would you like to leave us with today, beyond what you've already shared? But?

00:50:56 Speaker 3

I guess that.

00:50:57 Kimiko

We're we're not alone and we are literally made-up of our ancestors. We carry their DNA and blood bones.

00:51:06 Kimiko

Made of the made-up of our ancestors, we literally carry the land that we.

00:51:12 Kimiko

First ate from wherever we're from. We literally carry that land, that land help grow us and nurture us and and we we grew from that land. We literally carry all of the, the, the support and the love of the people that that raised us whether they were biological or or adopted or or other and.

00:51:32 Kimiko

We have.

00:51:34 Kimiko

So much support around us, from from the animistic world of the rocks, rivers and trees. So.

00:51:42 Kimiko

I think especially for adopters, you can feel so alone and misunderstood, but we're just really not. We just never a lot of us never had the tools to figure.

00:51:50 Kimiko

Out how to access.

00:51:51 Kimiko

That and how to how to?

00:51:52 Kimiko

How to learn about that and connect with that?

00:51:55 Merrily

Beautifully said, thank you so much. Well, thank you. Can you go for joining us today?

00:52:02 Kimiko

Thank you so much for.

00:52:03 Kimiko

Having me, thank you. Take care.

00:52:08 Merrily

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00:52:16 Merrily

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00:52:25 Merrily

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EPISODE 16 - KIMIKO KAWABORI

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