Casual Temple

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welcome to casual temple podcast episode forty four and i'm your host merrily duffy at casual

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our mission is to discover our connection to the unseen world of spirit and how that empowers us to know our true selves

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today we're joined by the crew from pod forty nine who kept the spirit of lodge forty nine alive

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through their own fantastic podcast we'll be diving into how they discovered the show and sharing thoughts on what makes lodge forty nine such a unique and special

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series we'll exlore how this dedicated group of fans turn their love for the show into pod forty nine

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i

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talk about

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weird but lovable television and the enduring magic of lodge forty

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so don't turn the channel because here on the casual temple podcast we keep it strange and unusual

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i

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welcome to your listeners

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we're doing things a little different today on the casual temple

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today we have the crew from the excellent lodge forty nine fan podcast pod forty nine joining us today bart decorzy blair edwards jim flood and chris lawrence

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we are discussing the most awesome launch forty nine tv show which follows the mystical journey of dead liz and the entire links lodge in shamrock 's crew

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spoiler alert i encourage you to stop this episode of couch temple

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watch the entire two seasons of lad forty nine and then listen to the entirety of pod forty nine

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and come back and join us

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yes there will be spoilers ahead as we dive deep into the world of lodge forty nine exploring the hidden symbolism amazing music

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and quirky characters that makes the show hold a special place in my heart

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so i'm i'm gonna start and talk about how i found blood forty nine which i think i wrote in my little note to maybe you chris or jim or bart somebody i i wrote a little note about it but a friend of mine

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in and i call it the esoteric chat rooms to quote blaze from lodge forty nine

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he a friend of mine he

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hey you guys you should really check out this show and it was during the pandemic

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and i was like it sounds like something i'd be interested in

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so yeah immediately sat down and watched it 'cause this particular

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he has an excellent taste in media so i was like he's got he's got to know what's going on

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and so i yeah started watching the show and i was like yes everything about it was like what i needed at the time 'cause

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but he was recommending things that were dark and scary and not you know kind of uplifting and yes there are dark and scary things in lodge forty nine but there's a lot of like really light wonderful things in in the show that i was like yes this is

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i needed

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exactly what i was looking for

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so so i'm going to turn it over to you guys to tell me or tell us how you found lodge forty nine and why you're such fans

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i found

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this is Claire Edwards

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hi everyone

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long time no talk

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i discovered that my old roommates recommended it to me

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back in twenty eighteen it turned out it actually premiered on my birthday

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in twenty eighteen which as i always felt like a little weird connection to it that way it took like about i think

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three episodes for me for it to really like get its hooks in me like around the like the episode i think it was corpus where the

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where the not a mummy

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not a mummy is discovered yeah yeah

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yeah

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not among

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and yeah it's just kind of blown away by how like good natured it is and

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just

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it

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how when i showed my dad it

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he said it's like a plane ride where like it's so smooth that you don't kind of realize how far you've gone yeah

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good job dad

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yeah

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yeah

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my my story is pretty benign

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i just was like at the time less now probably somewhat because of lodge forty

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there's a bit of atv completist and you know they kept promo in promo promoting it

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i think better call saul maybe which i was running watching like weekly you know as it was running

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and it looked like the

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the lamest show to be

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like the marketing has never been good but even those

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days it's like

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what is this

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thing about a

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order and and it's a but finally i was like alright you know like at the time i trusted amc and i was like let me let me go ahead and you know hit play i think

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was like four episodes back

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and then i i blew through like four or five episodes in like you know two days

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then i was waiting

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each week and i was like what the hell is the show right

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is it no connection to the trailers no connection

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through the marketing whatsoever and i think actually i know we're going to talk about the

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but

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think you know that is an interesting show

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the characters

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you know you kind of get all the kind of warm fuzzies you get even in the first couple

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but i think some needle drop on some song and i was like wait i've never heard this this music in this show this kind of show before

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so that was like that was like the kind of alchemical moment where i was like oh

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what's going on

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with the show that i was watching

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i think probably the back half of season one i was watching them as they came out

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hmm

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and i think i said

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think i said bart you gotta watch this show

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yeah i yeah yeah that's that's exactly what happened for me

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chris recommended it and was you know chris will recommend a lot of shows and books and stuff like that and i trust them all

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his enthusiasm for it really kind of struck me

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so i you know i was like alright i'm gonna give it a shot and i was kind of hooked right away

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there's a lot of things that were going on in my own personal life i had i had lost my father within that same year

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i you know in like my high school years until like late teens i worked in a pool company

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and i have boy girl twins so

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you know it just kind of struck me and the needle drop i think you might be talking about is lee hazelwood at least that's

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it was for me because i was very in the lead

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that's right i think i

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yeah and i was

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what

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same exact feeling like i i had also just kind of gotten into lee hazelwood in the last couple years

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and so to see it in a show just kind

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really

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struck with me 'cause i was like you don't really see that kind of thing very often

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and i mean it when i heard the first few notes i i was like man i fucking love this show

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and then it just kind of continued to get better and better and better and deeper in ways that i wasn't expecting and you know so

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the rest is history for me

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as for me i

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didn't have atv for about a year

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around then my roommate moved out and took his tv and i just kind of thought you know i'm going to try to live with that one for a while

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i did

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but when it was time you know finally time i i got one

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i had friends giving me recommendations and one of them was watch forty nine

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know chris was telling me to watch it and our friend mark and

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i had seen

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you know i don't know if i saw like a full trailer or but definitely see some imagery that was intriguing to me

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so you know once i started

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i was expecting i don't

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i was expecting to like it just because people i trusted were recommending it but i really just got sucked in and and binge like the entire first season

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within a few days

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and then

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yeah

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you know told chris i'd watched it and loved it and he's like you know actually we're

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about doing a podcast

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yeah that way

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yeah i had tried to

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chris to do a podcast about punk rock music 'cause i was listening to cocaine and rhinestones and then he kind of quickly was like no i'm not doing that but i do think this might be a good idea

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and then you know it was great

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i think my exact thinking was i don't think the show as any fans

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yeah

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i think it exactly rich for discussion

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and i bet you if i emailed amc publicity they would give us whatever we wanted

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and guess what they did

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that's so cool that's so cool

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i love you

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find the news and you know these pr agents are like begging for someone to care right

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i was like you know what

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we'll say we're doing this and you know we had jim gaffen and you know that first season you know i

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it was it was

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i've never seen you know it was

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of depressing at the same

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but like i was like there's you know it's like looking for the you know it's looking for the the old gazelle and the african tundra or something like that

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know

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was like i think we can

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i think we can get a lane here

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oh my gosh

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yeah i think it is

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yeah in fact jim gavin said that we

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we've done better pr for the show than the than amc had

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oh

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i mean you know

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well who does you guys

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good

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maybe

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kudos to amc sorry amc

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well they

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or whatever amc

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they blew it

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i mean i guess i can understand

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hello

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of the

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content of the show and the pacing of the show but i'm a

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and i think it's

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i do think it speaks to a certain type of people

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know you guys talked about this on your show

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you know maybe people who not to insult other viewers or anything like that but maybe people like to read

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people who like to think a little bit about things that you know a little deeper

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and but you know but cased in that sort of like nice light hearted package that's really cool to swallow and there's a lot of humor in there

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so yeah i think it's just a certain type of person i think and i guess i can't understand why amc was having trouble marketing i guess

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yeah and i guess to give them credit like one of the show 's greatest strengths is that it doesn't neatly fit in a box

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i don't know what the elevator pitch is for like do you like esotericism and

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like talking about grief and selling plumbing supplies in southern california

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right

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and thanks for sticking with

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here's the show for you like it's everything that makes it great also makes it pretty like tough to market

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that's i think a big thing about it

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yeah i agree

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pretty anti capitalist to do you know

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yeah

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oh yeah there's definitely like definitely there's that in there

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it's amazing they gave it a chance in the first place just because of you know those reasons

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yeah doesn't fit neatly into any predictable box

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yeah

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mm hmm

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and i think there was some not confusion but i think with duds character you know they're trying to compare

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i know that you guys definitely talked about this on your show but they try to compare him with like the dude

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oh yeah

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and i was like when i i didn't even realize that really until you guys mentioned it on the show and i thought about it and i was like but that's like smart though

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he reads a really complicated book

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he's sitting in a car you know

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game

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well and also he's enthusiastic

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about the adventure like he's not just like thrown in

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well he like he kind of thinks he's drawn to it by fate but he's like fully opted in

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you know he's not

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yeah reluctantly going along

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right

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yeah

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exactly

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he's he's also not fifty you know which is a kind of aspect of of the dude

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yeah yeah that's true

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right and the dude is also you know the thing that usually bothered me about that was it felt sort of lazy because it was kind of like a it's like the two names are sort of similar

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then i guess the look is sort of similar

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southern california

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but there's a very big like

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yeah yeah sure but like

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you know the dude 's got like you know smoking a joint half the movie you know and like that's not really dud at all

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fact if anything he's like a

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a beer hall drinking kind of guy even that's like once in a while it's not like the the vibes that they're about are completely separate i thought

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and just so you know i remember we would kind of like at least i would read like anything that was written about it because i was so excited to see somebody

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you know producing anything about it and it would almost always lead with like he's kind of a slacker kind of you know stonery kind of guy

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i'm like not

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you know like it's it's

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it's different than that it's just seemed like a very plain brush to paint him with in a way

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also the dude is pretty jaded

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yeah

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yeah

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and that is an eternal optimist you know

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ernie 's more the dude that's true

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that's a good point

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yeah

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damn

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ok

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you know it is very cohen brother 's

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that's what's always you know like that's actually a much better comp

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like like it does have like sort of some cohen brothers flourishes at least like cohen brothers maybe better a little bit more comedy

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obvious not blood simple or whatever but

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but yeah that so that always

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but you know these these writers and they just have

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find

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hook on something

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like and so you know that was the only thing people could even think about to talk about it

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you know honestly like to claire 's

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how do you talk

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you know like you know someone 's filing a three hundred word blurb for entertainment weekly or you know some stupid tv recap blog

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you know it's sort of the fives blurbiness

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yeah

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just you know the size of the

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there's so many characters and they all have their own

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distinct stories

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so yeah it's kind of complex to to explain i guess just to describe

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as we're proving

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this is true

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yeah i think that's also something i you know i was telling my husband or we were discussing the show and i was like

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like

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i love when me or shows or movies can do ensemble cast casts really well

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loud forty nine is amazing 'cause what happens when they don't do it

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is i'm irritated when they move away from like the main characters

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yeah

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but i am excited to know like what's going on with every single person like i need to know what's happening what's going on with this person and like what's you know

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but i'm that type

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like that's exciting to me

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like to know

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the characters and what they're thinking what is their story arc in addition to like dead or liz in this case

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yeah it's like an expansiveness to the cast and like the part

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think that's a really good

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like there are shows where i get like frustrated with like what the b plot is like what this

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this is just something you ruin but everything just fits together and like i want to know what connie 's up to in london

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like even though she's so separate

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from the rest of the

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you know yeah

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yes they definitely did a great job with that as far as like the the occult aspect of the show and this is one of my questions 'cause i am

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i do practice the occult not scary occult cool occult

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what i practice

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more around the hermeticism and that's another thing that made me stick with the show 'cause there's definitely like all

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balance and

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the male female energies of all the characters

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but did you have an opinion of the occult or esoteric

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pre or post lodge forty nine

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i think before for me at least i was kind of agnostic and like all aspects of like anything spiritual whether it was like organized like accepting religion or esotericism anything

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of that

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but like i've also always been drawn to magical realism

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and kind of how big it can be

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mm hmm

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you know it's just like sometimes it's just feelings and trauma and wounds that are just blown up and writ large and interesting ways

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and

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i think like

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magic can also be kind of

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or like

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there's something magic about community as a whole and like community is like an antidote to like post industrial capitalism

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and

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and also kind of a metaphor for the way that we seek other systems and other beliefs

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surges to escape like the oppressive

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yeah forces around us

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but also

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kind of like since the show is so optimistic and so on cynical and in a in a way that i really love 'cause i think cynicism is just incredibly lazy intellectually

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it's so optimistic and just the idea that magic is kind of all around us really appeal to me

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there's the sublime and the mundane if you know how to look for it yeah

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and

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but

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i probably kind of i'd say of my colleagues probably went off the deep end of most

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it

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it totally pushed me into you know

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exploring thinking about following rabbit holes you know kind of you know i think i did like

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tarot corner or whatever where i'd you know like in the in that was a big you know so you know and so i started to read up on that

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yeah

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that and and you know i've always been interested in subcultures and sort of you know alternative cultures whatever however you want

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classify

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so you know to me like these were ones that like sometimes were thousands of years old you know so that was super fascinating to me

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you know i you know

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spiritualism is you know i i don't know

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you know i

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like the fact that it doesn't matter

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the show

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you know whether these things are true or not

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like the show doesn't really have an opinion about it but then it also doesn't say no right

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like that that i

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i

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that part of the sort of

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explorer and like explorer comma maybe

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mentality of the show kind of opened me up to some things and then you know

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totally

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you know couldn't stop reading about stuff or

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know listening to stuff or

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so you know whether it was medieval history or like different esoteric stuff or

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whatever so just like a

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a hobby is not a light word but like it start you know like it it it added that you know to the point where like i think you know something like animism is like that makes a lot of sense to me you know

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you know so like yeah i would probably consider myself an animist you know so like if you you know like if so if you were you know taking a journey from like hitting you know play on the dvr to like

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i'm an animist you know quite a journey

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yeah

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i definitely think that

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well yeah go

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go ahead mark

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no go ahead please please please

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oh i was just gonna sort of add my words to that but basically in the show it's like dead and blaze are on like one side of the spectrum and then you have ernie and maybe liz on the other side of the spectrum

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you have like the people that are willing to go off the deep end and the other people are like trying to pull them back

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reality

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and so there's that push pull which in the occult there's a lot of that too about like finding the balance and where are you on the spectrum and where do you need to like apply more of one or the other to kind of get you more balanced and

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think the show really does a great job of that

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but then in some of its key moments like

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all bought in

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like you think about like the you know like

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like the quest to mexico

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like they all go for their own reasons right

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they're all like bought

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did your clarence point about the communalism being the you know the true magic right

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bonds you know that that that keep them together

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you know

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scott is getting something radically different than dud is on that trip right

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but the trip is the bond that

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the spirit of adventure the myth the uneven unknown the unknown

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just be how we get the scrolls back

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to

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someone would be unknown

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be

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the scrolls mean but that didn't mean that their connection to each other or connection to the quest was any less strong regardless of their personal motivations

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well i was thinking also about janet and she's going there to seek the schools because she believes it's the key to bitcoin

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she's so that's like literally all chemical

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like it's really turning nothing

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so she's actually also like bought into it in a

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way like

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in

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yeah the the

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alchemical process of making something out of nothing

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she's actually also bought in completely

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yeah it's like you can

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you know warp or pervert

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a concept like that if you have the kind of mentality and outlook that she does or if you're more like some of the other characters you have a pure motive for

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mm hmm

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what you're seeking so

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yeah i mean i it's great that it presents all those different sides

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i so i sort of try to watch a bunch of episodes the last couple days to prepare because

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it's been a while

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james our scholar

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especially season two

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so there was something nice to read it down now i i don't have it on me but i can paraphrase in the first episode of season two

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dud and blades are having this conversation

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and it's in blaze asks dud to be his apprentice 'cause he's trying to you know decipher all the wallace smith stuff from the secret room and you know

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he's kind of like why

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know why do

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why do you want me and blaze

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well you know you you saw your the the

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you saw your dad and the tongue when you were you know after the

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shark attack and you saw those the lights the field of lights in orbis and

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you know has the instinct that many of us

00:23:15 Jim

and i would say this is usually me where he's like well maybe you know it was just toxic fumes at orbis and maybe it's because i've lost so much blood on the beach

00:23:24 Jim

those are the reasons you know and blaze goes no don't do that

00:23:28

mm hmm

00:23:28 Jim

and

00:23:31 Jim

dudes like

00:23:31 Jim

yeah like i also you know i don't think that that's what it was like

00:23:35 Jim

it's like if you have a partner in believing

00:23:39 Jim

something that other people might you know ridicule you for be or be skeptical

00:23:47 Jim

it's a lot easier to acknowledge

00:23:51

you

00:23:51

know

00:23:51 Jim

yeah

00:23:52

umm

00:23:54

i

00:23:55 Merrily

agree it helps you 'cause yeah if he's going and saying oh yeah that was just that was just me hallucinating or whatever then it's like the meaning for him

00:24:05 Merrily

and and the consequences are good or bad of that are kind of lost you know

00:24:11 Merrily

then so yeah blaze is really good at like propping him up

00:24:15 Merrily

so you're right i didn't think consider that that it's nice to have folks that kind of go on the journey with you too and pull you

00:24:24 Merrily

you know in that way

00:24:26 Chris

marilee i'm i'm i'm curious after the the the table the sort of like turn it around on you a little bit you know 'cause at the time i was reading a lot of like articles about people that you know occultists or that study this stuff or you know

00:24:38 Chris

i've never seen anything

00:24:40 Chris

like this on television you know so like as someone who was our you know already a believer or into this kind of stuff what was it like to watch a show that like kind of dove in with this

00:24:52 Chris

you know it's not like you know the not like some cheesy like the witches of eastlick type thing but actually like wrestled wrestled with these things in like a a way that was like both

00:25:01 Chris

on the mundane but

00:25:02 Chris

like was you know if you're not you know signs and symbols

00:25:05 Chris

if you're not looking if you just think that the people at the law firm you're gonna you know you're probably not gonna catch a bunch of the references or whatever

00:25:12 Chris

they were some pretty you know deeply embedded like

00:25:16 Chris

stuff in the

00:25:16 Chris

what was it like to watch and like oh my god

00:25:19 Chris

can't believe

00:25:19

that this is

00:25:20 Chris

actually like

00:25:21 Chris

core theme and plot of the show

00:25:24 Merrily

yeah it

00:25:24 Merrily

it's kind of you know again kind of being nerdy about

00:25:26 Merrily

you're like oh they dropped this thing and like oh they're talking about oh yes they're talking about a little bit of the hermeticism you know and and

00:25:38 Merrily

lizard twins and they're male and female and it's like they're one being and i'm like well you know like all the like geeky stuff about that and then one of the things that was really fun was you know

00:25:51 Merrily

at the at the one of the conferences where the conference that liz goes to they were like oh she's like oh are you going to the cloud of unknowing whatever talk or something like that to i think it was corporate that she was talking to

00:26:05 Merrily

and i was like kind of unknowing cause like a friend of mine actually wrote like an intro to one of the new editions of the cloud of annoying

00:26:12 Merrily

and so i was like

00:26:16 Merrily

or whatever

00:26:18 Merrily

yeah so it was stuff like that that i was excited about like hearing things that you don't hear on normal tv

00:26:25 Merrily

but in a fun way because to be honest a lot of the people that i know in in this in the occult community the ones that i connect with they're all like

00:26:34 Merrily

wonderful people 'cause they're all like very sensitive and very thoughtful and they like to have deep deep discussions about weird stuff

00:26:41 Merrily

so it was like oh you get to see it on the screen and it's not

00:26:45 Merrily

usually about ninety nine percent of the time

00:26:48 Merrily

like a horror movie

00:26:50 Merrily

so you know you're like oh man and probably and not to like deviate off into like talking about movies but a dark song if any of you had seen that like all the i highly recommend you check that when you're in the mood for like a horrorish movie

00:26:51

yeah

00:27:07 Merrily

a lot of occult hits were excited about that one too because it also had a little bit of a more magical realism bents and maybe a kind of positive ending

00:27:20 Merrily

and we are like what

00:27:22 Merrily

so it was like really

00:27:23 Merrily

so seeing that film come out and then i saw a lot for you and i was like awesome like somebody gets it like it's not all like creepy

00:27:32

people

00:27:32 Merrily

in robes you know trying to rule the world or anything like that

00:27:37 Merrily

it's illegal

00:27:40 Claire

yeah

00:27:44 Bart

now i was just going to say that like i you know when i was watching it i just sort of a lot of that stuff was just like kind of was like oblivious to you know like it's like in the background

00:27:52 Bart

was almost like a garnish on the show a little bit and it didn't really stick at all that that it was like

00:27:59 Bart

something necessary to sort of pay attention to and i would say that some degree that the the alchemy that i was paying attention to was had much more to do with like the characters

00:28:10 Bart

and coming together and how like

00:28:13 Bart

you know one person being entered into the group then can affect this other person and how

00:28:18 Bart

all sort of

00:28:19 Bart

came together to kind of help each other in different ways and ways that they hadn't seen but then as the show went on and of course you know it gets it's very fun when they go down to mexico and they grab the bowling bag and they're you know

00:28:33 Bart

through that wonderful scene which was really comedic but like exciting

00:28:38 Bart

that sort of

00:28:38 Bart

by the end i was kind of like cheering it on and i think you know being raised catholic the idea of the occult has always been something very very scary and kind of you know it's it's like

00:28:50 Bart

you know i guess it's like not of

00:28:52 Bart

so it's therefore like sort of satanic or it's a distraction or some sort

00:28:56 Bart

it's like the devil 's work

00:28:57 Bart

in a way

00:28:59 Bart

so it was like really there was something very like

00:29:03 Bart

nice about how the warmth that is behind it like what if in a way like you know it's not all these things that you'd think but this magical realm actually presents this kind of idea of like its own version of

00:29:17 Bart

heaven where like you know human suffering can end by coming together and so like you know it kind of then i really enjoyed cause because we did the podcast we'd go back and i'd go back and watch the shows and i'd take notes not only on what they

00:29:32 Bart

but what was in the backgrounds and stuff like that

00:29:33 Bart

and that's when i picked up a lot more

00:29:35 Bart

on a lot of the symbols and stuff like like sort of like what's the tapestry that's behind your head

00:29:40 Bart

reminds me a lot of the things that were on the the show and

00:29:44 Bart

you know so i came away with it and i'm certainly i think a fairly optimistic person and i was you know rooting for there to be some sort of magical solution to the you know the lodges financial problems like as if

00:29:58 Bart

the somewhere somehow there was some like ancient computer set up and it had been mining bitcoin the whole time

00:30:04 Bart

know since the fifties or something and they were going to stumble upon this like mountain of gold

00:30:05

yeah

00:30:10 Bart

then we could all like enjoy the lodge and you know

00:30:13 Bart

i didn't want it to

00:30:14 Bart

away yeah

00:30:17 Chris

the show plays around with oh

00:30:17 Claire

yeah i think

00:30:18 Bart

go ahead go ahead

00:30:19 Chris

go ahead

00:30:20 Claire

i

00:30:20 Claire

i think that's a great point about like how

00:30:23 Claire

the occult like especially how it's used in this show kind of brings heaven back down to earth and it like makes us see it in community and like and i think that's a really great point

00:30:31 Bart

yeah

00:30:36 Claire

yeah what's really lovely about the show is that we don't have to wait for heaven it can be here

00:30:41 Claire

like we you know help our neighbors and like they can you know

00:30:46 Claire

find meaning in beauty in each other

00:30:50 Merrily

yeah

00:30:50 Chris

and i think the show does a good job of pointing out like these sort of like

00:30:56 Chris

fallacies of all these kinds of belief

00:30:58 Chris

so this you know this belief system or any kind you know like so ablaze type right is note

00:31:03 Chris

is no more ridiculous than you know then the corporate pseudo

00:31:09 Chris

so the spiritual workshop

00:31:12 Chris

which is mining much of the same ground or there's a lot of commentary on catholicism that's embedded in the show where obviously the critiques of capitalism you know it's like the lemon standard

00:31:22 Chris

like the show you know the the

00:31:24 Chris

multi level marketing

00:31:25 Chris

so the show actually like

00:31:27 Chris

the show it also

00:31:29 Chris

you like how ridiculous these things all all are to a large degree

00:31:33 Chris

like whether it's capitalism or organized religion or you know kind of like the dominant you know i mean is there any bigger religion than

00:31:40 Chris

america than than the religion of corporatism

00:31:44 Chris

and so like the

00:31:45 Chris

so the show 's like it's ok

00:31:46 Chris

so why not believe in these ancient

00:31:50 Chris

or why you know like the the the whole thing is a can of make believe right

00:31:53 Chris

like why are we

00:31:55 Chris

what can a make believe you decide to take off

00:31:57 Chris

shelf and

00:31:59 Chris

these ones happen to be more human centric and and more community

00:32:04 Chris

and

00:32:04 Chris

real to people 's lives than these other you know than the corporate mumbo jumbo or you know the kind of pseudo spiritualism even even that

00:32:12 Chris

i i'm so bad at remembering these

00:32:14 Chris

but even though

00:32:15 Chris

tgi fridays scam rocks

00:32:17 Claire

camera

00:32:17 Chris

you know like even like a restaurant culture that you know like even like you must believe and you be a dedicated employee right

00:32:24 Chris

so there are these like these belief systems that we

00:32:27 Chris

take

00:32:27 Chris

granted as we cast others to be somehow outside the norm and i think

00:32:33 Chris

the show you know without even taking it

00:32:34 Chris

know it just says

00:32:35 Chris

it's all bullshit to a degree you know and you know so why not this bullshit

00:32:40 Merrily

yeah

00:32:43 Bart

lord like i mean more to your point in a way it's like the the corporate you know psycho babble is the bullshit really

00:32:50 Bart

the other

00:32:50 Bart

has a lot more meaning and really because

00:32:52

yeah

00:32:54 Bart

it's considered bullshit like once the importance is taken away from it then people can kind of get get into it more than you know sort of it being fed down their throats right

00:33:04 Bart

like if you let humans respond in a human way they're gonna they're gonna gravitate towards

00:33:10 Bart

these other things because

00:33:12 Bart

because they are you know they might seem mystical or something but at the end of the day they're kind of more towards bringing people together whereas like the corporate sort of lingo and stuff it's about like you know divide and conquer in a sense right

00:33:25 Bart

so i

00:33:26 Bart

with you what you're saying exactly it's a great point

00:33:28 Bart

but i think he's actually kind of saying that

00:33:31 Bart

if there is one that's bullshit it's the one that we all accept

00:33:35 Bart

and if there's one that maybe we should reconsider it's the you know what we've all considered to be

00:33:40 Bart

he you know like crazy or whatever you know

00:33:43 Chris

no i i

00:33:44 Chris

i think we're saying the same

00:33:45 Chris

i'm just saying like if you make everything ridiculous and it's easier to pick just because it becomes the least ridiculous one on the shelf just so to speak you know so like you don't have to

00:33:47 Bart

read me

00:33:54 Bart

right

00:33:54 Chris

have to make it all like hogwash so that the real stuff can you know it's dominated by the hogwash

00:34:02 Chris

right ok yep

00:34:06 Merrily

yeah that's good

00:34:06 Chris

gavin is interesting because he he definitely

00:34:09 Chris

you never i've read a bunch of interviews with them and obviously the show and listen to

00:34:14 Chris

i i don't know if you know what he but he's obviously into this stuff you know like i mean he's deeply knowledgeable you know like now i'm like you see like obviously history not or whatever you know in other ways he's kind of like you're you know typ

00:34:26 Chris

loves sports and you know all that stuff

00:34:29 Chris

so like he's like kind of an

00:34:30 Chris

i had to kind of messenger for

00:34:33 Chris

like 'cause he's kinda like the all american california kid to a degree

00:34:37 Chris

and

00:34:37 Chris

but then you know he can go on i mean he can go on for hours about this stuff like this

00:34:42 Chris

it's the

00:34:44 Chris

is that real in that research

00:34:46 Chris

he knows it

00:34:47

yeah

00:34:49 Merrily

he definitely does 'cause

00:34:49 Bart

but he's also a scholar of james joyce and thomas

00:34:52 Bart

i mean you know like he's a very broad minded you know like literally like knows a ton you know like

00:34:53 Chris

yeah

00:35:01 Bart

it's it's insane thinking about like all the stuff that he knows 'cause he does it a lot of his right like he in this book of short stories he you know i almost fell over what he's talking about

00:35:12 Bart

i'm like where does it end

00:35:13 Bart

does he stop getting like

00:35:14

yeah

00:35:15 Bart

more and more amazing you know like i'm from maryland

00:35:17 Bart

that was that touched my heart very deeply so

00:35:20 Bart

yeah the guys the guys amazing

00:35:24 Chris

dear listeners len bias was a nineteen eighties university of maryland basketball player who died of fat cocaine overdose the day after being drafted by the boston celtics

00:35:31 Merrily

oh

00:35:34 Merrily

you chris i was

00:35:36 Jim

i was about to say like i don't know

00:35:39

i still can't

00:35:39 Bart

talk about it

00:35:41 Claire

i just feel like i have so much more

00:35:42 Claire

learn from you guys

00:35:44 Claire

every day every day learning more and more

00:35:48 Chris

yeah he was celebrating being drafted with a little crack for the first time

00:35:51 Chris

he

00:35:52 Chris

made it to the boston celtics

00:35:53 Merrily

oh boy

00:35:58 Chris

sorry to bring us down

00:35:59 Merrily

oh no that's ok

00:36:00 Chris

yeah yeah

00:36:02 Merrily

one of the things that was kind of early on in the show that i was like and then i didn't realize until watching the full series because you see what happens to the characters in the show was the scene where dud is like

00:36:15 Merrily

i think he's his car stopped right in front of the lodge but he hadn't gone in yet and then he's like laying there and then like a jet flies over

00:36:24 Merrily

and then in the series you learn that it was the jupiter that's called the jupiter and it was the last plane to leave orbus and like jupiter and like the planet and then with the symbology of it is like wealth and expansion so it like left

00:36:38 Merrily

and that's basically what happened to the city of long beach is like the you know everybody 's like losing their job and

00:36:38

oh

00:36:46 Merrily

having to work temp jobs if they can get that temp job

00:36:50 Merrily

so i was like woo that was good

00:36:52 Merrily

but he didn't realize until i

00:36:53 Merrily

the show wow

00:36:57 Chris

examining the scrolls

00:36:58 Merrily

yes

00:37:01 Jim

merrily

00:37:02 Jim

what did you think about the whole you know the predictive paintings

00:37:07 Jim

like i thought it was interesting today because

00:37:11 Jim

you know

00:37:12 Jim

was a combination of like some of these things came true and others

00:37:17 Jim

the person like ernie was like i'm gonna put on that mariachi suit

00:37:22 Jim

there's like a combination of like free will and

00:37:28 Merrily

yeah i like that you said it was like free well and then maybe some something guiding it like el confidente kind of kind of guiding it in a way like ernie should put on a mariachi

00:37:39 Merrily

i'm drawing in a mariachi you know like

00:37:41 Merrily

what was the

00:37:42 Merrily

did you really see it or you just wanted to see ernie in a mariachi suit

00:37:45 Merrily

who knows

00:37:47 Merrily

really but yeah i love

00:37:48 Merrily

i loved it because it's a lot of times

00:37:51 Merrily

you know as an occult history you know chris you read

00:37:55 Merrily

it's like if you read it for somebody else you're just trying to be like this is what

00:37:59 Merrily

see you know

00:38:01 Merrily

you tell me if this you know or does this resonate with you you know so it's kind of like what those paintings are

00:38:07 Merrily

it's one person 's perspective of what

00:38:10 Merrily

you know they see the future going to be whether or not it plays out that way you know or exactly the way that el confidente sees it

00:38:18 Merrily

that's the fun part

00:38:20 Merrily

it's like does it make it any less fun or magical that he was doing that i don't

00:38:25 Merrily

don't think so it's fun both ways

00:38:27

hey cortana

00:38:28 Claire

yeah you know there's

00:38:30 Chris

so much about you

00:38:32 Chris

whatever you want to call

00:38:33 Chris

modern occultism you know that's about you know setting intention and like max creativity and imagination and you know like so these are like if you can imagine it it

00:38:42 Chris

exist right like

00:38:44 Chris

but that's like a that's a pretty

00:38:46 Chris

that's a pretty transgressive thought if you think about thousands of years of organized religion

00:38:51 Chris

so like this the idea that your intention your intuition your kind of radical creativity you know these are these are these are encounter intuitive and and in fact you know often

00:39:01 Chris

you know

00:39:03 Chris

you know kind of regulated to the nth degree by organized religion especially the probably the the big three right

00:39:09 Chris

so like those things became those things became renegade

00:39:13 Chris

so like in some ways in you know like that you know like you can imagine it

00:39:16 Chris

can exist

00:39:18 Chris

it's a pretty like you know whether you're creating articles of your mind or moving lead to gold you know but like

00:39:25 Chris

through most of least western thought

00:39:29 Chris

the idea that you can imagine something and then make that reality exist

00:39:33 Chris

was was

00:39:34 Chris

you know that was frowned upon if not you know violently put down so like that is a transgressive thought

00:39:40 Merrily

yeah

00:39:44

mm hmm

00:39:45 Merrily

i hear you i agree with that

00:39:50 Merrily

yeah now i'm going to be thinking about that for the rest of the evening because that's

00:39:54 Merrily

that's really good

00:39:57 Merrily

so for this series now i i loved on you guys had a really cool a really good book end to your show where you would say who is the alchemist of of that particular episode and you would all go around and like say this you know i think

00:40:12 Merrily

this person for these reasons

00:40:14 Merrily

but for you individually who do you consider like made your own personal alchemist of the of the whole series

00:40:23 Merrily

kind of a big

00:40:23 Merrily

i don't even know if i am

00:40:26

i mean

00:40:28 Claire

i mean like for me it's always gonna be jackie loomis

00:40:31 Claire

it just always is like i i i love

00:40:34 Claire

i think she's so interesting and i mean

00:40:39 Claire

that episode

00:40:42 Claire

circles

00:40:42 Claire

like that's it's

00:40:44 Claire

just one of my favorite episodes of television

00:40:46 Claire

it's so beautifully directed like

00:40:50 Claire

she's you know she she literally created bitcoin like she literally created bitcoin like

00:40:55

yeah

00:40:56

yeah

00:41:00 Claire

she

00:41:01 Claire

and it rose through the ranks despite like being a woman in the sixties i guess she did have to like assisted suicide

00:41:11 Claire

but no one 's perfect you know

00:41:13 Claire

like no

00:41:13 Claire

's perfect it's it's fine

00:41:14

select

00:41:16

it was hard

00:41:16 Claire

to be a woman back then

00:41:18 Merrily

sometimes stuff happens yeah

00:41:22 Bart

hey it was his idea and she just changed her mind

00:41:22 Claire

and

00:41:24

here is jennifer right

00:41:25

and that's fine

00:41:26 Claire

like like i'm so tired of people telling women what to do you know like

00:41:32 Claire

yeah i think

00:41:34 Claire

i think for me it's always it's always gonna be her and also like she created you know little larry loomis and he's so important to the series as well

00:41:44 Jim

yeah

00:41:48 Chris

that's a good question

00:41:50 Bart

yeah i mean it

00:41:54 Bart

i mean i i i

00:41:55 Bart

somebody else speak

00:41:56 Bart

i don't know who i'm gonna say 'cause i or i would just say a general thing like i mean as the main character and the way his life intertwines with everybody like it you know as much as i love so many of the characters it does seem like

00:42:09 Bart

answer to this is is dud really i mean

00:42:12 Bart

but i but i

00:42:13 Bart

so i don't want to be the one to just sort of blather on about dud but i mean unless you want to talk in terms that's why i like the the like per episode 'cause then you could sort of

00:42:22 Bart

oh on this one in particular but i guess then so then i'll leave to somebody else and i'm gonna say maybe blaze i guess if i have to if i have to have a non dub you know alchemist of the show

00:42:37 Bart

just in the sense that like you know

00:42:39 Bart

just think that he's like

00:42:41 Bart

i mean i have a soft spot for him

00:42:42 Bart

the bartender for

00:42:44 Bart

i love the way he's the bartender there and you know 'cause the lodge itself means so much to him

00:42:50 Bart

but then he's also the one who's studying all the stuff

00:42:52 Bart

gets kind of thought of as crazy for it

00:42:57 Bart

then we learn a lot about his past

00:43:01 Bart

and like kind of how important the lodge is to him being having like you know sort of bumped around for a while and not and felt kicked out kicked out of his own family and then finally found a family through the lodge

00:43:15 Bart

and how important it was to him and just kind of you know how quick he was to defend the lodge i think too against like terrible policies he had very very natural good instinct of what was right

00:43:30 Bart

to the lodge and what was wrong to lod

00:43:32 Bart

and you know i just thought that he sort of there was a very good combination of his like human side that we see when he's fooled by

00:43:44 Bart

is it avery the

00:43:46 Bart

that kind of the sort of con artist that kind of comes in and

00:43:51 Bart

then you know and then also all his studying of

00:43:56 Bart

his i love when he is like proven right with his like wacko science

00:44:02 Bart

like or pseudoscience of medical science when he pulls the thing out of his nose with a wonderful steam

00:44:06

yeah

00:44:11 Bart

and then of course you know he also you know like i'm sure after duds shark bite he goes to the hospital right

00:44:20 Bart

they they don't find that last tooth which is then infecting his leg and of course

00:44:26 Bart

you know blaze does that as

00:44:27 Bart

and you know so there's so i'm gonna go

00:44:30 Bart

i'm just gonna go with blaze i think

00:44:32 Bart

think he's like a very

00:44:35 Bart

i can't say underrated character in the show 'cause he's obviously not

00:44:38 Bart

top billing and stuff but

00:44:40 Bart

in terms of

00:44:43 Bart

his like dedication to all things

00:44:49 Bart

like spiritual alchemical and then his also like duties to the lodge and understanding the rules and then just being a great caretaker of it and the man behind the bar that knows everyone you know i'm gonna

00:45:04 Bart

gonna go with blaze

00:45:07 Jim

that's a good

00:45:08 Jim

i was waiting to see if anyone else said dud for the same reason

00:45:13 Jim

you know he

00:45:15 Jim

you know unlock the key to the entire thing and

00:45:20 Jim

but i don't

00:45:21 Jim

for me i always have been drawn to liz and i really appreciate how

00:45:26 Jim

you know

00:45:27 Jim

keeps finding yourself in these tough situations and just

00:45:31 Jim

sucky circumstances and she tries to make the best of

00:45:36 Jim

her choices aren't always to her own benefit but she's a survivor and you know she does support doug

00:45:44 Jim

a bit letting him live with her and

00:45:47 Jim

even though she's you know

00:45:50 Jim

can be kind of stern with him

00:45:53 Jim

you know i think it's mostly

00:45:57 Jim

for his own good or she least intends it that way

00:46:01 Jim

but i feel like

00:46:06 Jim

i don't

00:46:06 Jim

i yeah i think it's it's it's hard to say

00:46:12 Jim

one person when it's such an amazing ensemble cast and and so many characters that just you know are so special

00:46:23 Jim

but yeah

00:46:26 Chris

i guess my answer would be kind of hyper literal in a way i'm gonna say bert you know the pawn shop operator

00:46:30

burke

00:46:33 Chris

because he's kind of a he's kind of the he's kind of the old wizard in the castle right

00:46:37 Chris

he's the one that like with his books and his ephemera around him and knows all

00:46:42 Chris

that's the that's the this

00:46:43 Chris

the coin

00:46:45 Chris

it's you know lives down the block or you know he's he's changing the you know he's constantly manipulating the value of things

00:46:52 Chris

turning you know

00:46:54 Chris

bikes into money and you know all kinds of things and then all the not all but many of the

00:46:59 Chris

actually have to go

00:47:01 Chris

so through him to move on to different things

00:47:04 Chris

ernie

00:47:05 Chris

he's there selling the tv

00:47:07 Chris

you know dudes and liz 's dad liz the many characters that actually go in and sort of see the the old wizard in the in the tower you know to get things changed for them

00:47:19 Chris

then he plays an important part in like bringing

00:47:22 Chris

together even if it's you know kind of cynical or whatnot

00:47:26 Chris

you know that

00:47:27 Chris

know

00:47:28 Chris

old you know the person trying to turn lead into the gold

00:47:31 Chris

wasn't necessarily like

00:47:32 Chris

but you know the greatest guy in the in the village you know he was you know so like that to me i mean very mineral 'cause he was a money changer to you know but that one always he was always kind of a secret alchemist to me 'cause

00:47:47 Chris

really he was kind of a

00:47:49 Chris

puppet master degree

00:47:51 Claire

i'm so glad he

00:47:52 Claire

bert he was my second choice because like there's also like the the alchemy of the watch like that is a fake

00:47:59 Claire

so he accepts like more money than he should for it

00:48:02 Claire

and like there's a moment

00:48:04 Claire

like is looking at him like oh you have a soft spot for this kid and he's like no i know the dudley 's there's sentimental i know he'll pay like thousands more for

00:48:12 Claire

and but yeah it's like the dark side of alcohol which you know blaze has a whole speech about how like there's the literal kind turning lead into gold and then there's making something from nothing and like the transformation of the human soul

00:48:25 Claire

yeah i'm so glad you said bert

00:48:27 Claire

he's so good yeah

00:48:28 Jim

yeah

00:48:30

yeah

00:48:31 Merrily

yeah bert 's definitely one of my favourites characters 'cause i see him as like the ruler of the underworld that they all have to go visit and like hermie

00:48:39 Chris

yeah

00:48:41 Merrily

i call them hermes it's herman

00:48:43 Merrily

but he is like he is like hermes

00:48:46 Merrily

'cause he's going between worlds all the time

00:48:48 Merrily

always in the pawn

00:48:49 Merrily

he's always having to go out

00:48:50 Merrily

he's on a little scooter putting around

00:48:53 Merrily

so

00:48:54 Merrily

and you know and in the occult and things and in people 's lives

00:48:59 Merrily

we talk about the element of change is having to go through the hard stuff

00:49:03 Merrily

and and bert 's not bert 's more than happy to be the hard stuff for the for the characters

00:49:08

i know

00:49:11 Merrily

i like that you guys chose him too

00:49:11

yes

00:49:16 Chris

who was

00:49:16 Claire

yours

00:49:17 Merrily

yeah i was trying to

00:49:18 Merrily

well i remember talking with my

00:49:19 Merrily

i don't want to say his name 'cause he's a shy person but i was

00:49:23 Merrily

i don't

00:49:24 Merrily

you know what when i started watching i was like i don't know am i

00:49:27 Merrily

i dud

00:49:27 Merrily

am i liz

00:49:28 Merrily

am i both

00:49:29 Merrily

know

00:49:29 Merrily

i feel like but ultimately i think as a woman

00:49:33 Merrily

i do identify a lot with

00:49:35 Merrily

so jim i'm with you on on that train

00:49:41 Merrily

just because you know i'm the oldest child you know even though i know you guys discussed on your show how we think actually liz is the younger twin

00:49:50 Merrily

but she you know she's like very much the fire like i would be so as like somebody who's like into astrology if i could get their birth

00:49:59 Merrily

i'm sure

00:50:01 Merrily

her maybe her rising sign is different than dad 's and she's got like a fire sign but and i thought it was interesting during the series like to kind of balance her energy

00:50:12 Merrily

always going in the freezer or having to be cooled down or dunking your head in in some

00:50:18 Merrily

phydrate

00:50:23

yeah

00:50:25 Merrily

balance that and you know so taking on a lot of responsibility being feeling responsible for people not wanting to accept the help of others

00:50:33 Merrily

it's like liz

00:50:35 Merrily

oh you gotta like let go of that 'cause you know i feel that was who i was probably ten fifteen years ago

00:50:41 Merrily

so i was like oh liz you're speaking to me so

00:50:45 Claire

liz might be a little bit of a re

00:50:47 Claire

i missed though 'cause she was really good

00:50:49 Claire

turning something into nothing

00:50:51 Claire

you know she was really good at self sabotage

00:50:56 Merrily

oh my god yes

00:50:56 Claire

but no she she's also just an incredible character

00:50:59 Claire

mean i love them all

00:51:00 Claire

make me choose god

00:51:01 Merrily

i know i know it's hard

00:51:04 Merrily

it's some hard

00:51:04 Chris

i think one of the the things that one of the things i'm most angry about which is a long list that we were that season three was ripped from ripped from us was that that was gonna be i think the liz season right

00:51:14 Merrily

yeah

00:51:16 Chris

mean like the way it ends and you know with the sort of like whatever kind of moment she has as she enters the lodge

00:51:22 Chris

then i think that you know

00:51:24 Chris

the the budding

00:51:26 Chris

relationship that she was going to have with

00:51:27 Chris

emmons

00:51:29 Chris

i mean i just think i think we really you know i think we i think i mean i haven't done but i'm guessing that the season three would have been a lot of liz 's journey

00:51:38 Chris

that we didn't get a lot of liz the first two episodes but i think that transformation i think was coming in season three i think that was

00:51:44 Chris

one of the big story epis

00:51:47 Merrily

yeah

00:51:47

odes

00:51:48 Bart

wasn't there like a at some point to jim gavin 's mention or something

00:51:54 Bart

was

00:51:54 Bart

i don't think

00:51:54 Bart

was a rumor but like that there was gonna be four

00:51:58 Bart

they were gonna represent the elements and so fire would have been one of them you know and so it could've been if like you're saying liz is very the fire was two

00:52:01

yeah yeah

00:52:04 Claire

i think fire was two

00:52:08 Bart

we already saw it

00:52:10 Bart

ok

00:52:10 Claire

and then i think the third one was going to be earth

00:52:14 Claire

because he ends up in the earth like at the end of the and then the first one i think was water yeah

00:52:16 Chris

yeah

00:52:17

yeah

00:52:19 Bart

oh

00:52:21 Chris

that's yeah

00:52:23 Bart

yeah

00:52:23 Claire

yeah she has a real bummer

00:52:27 Merrily

oh yeah

00:52:28 Claire

deeply uncool

00:52:30 Merrily

yes

00:52:30 Claire

yeah

00:52:31 Chris

i

00:52:31 Chris

i i've so many times i've like

00:52:35 Chris

been like oh you know i

00:52:36 Chris

rewatch and you know he did such a intense

00:52:41 Chris

re watch what was it a season one

00:52:43 Chris

we did when we did when we had the guests and stuff so you know which was my third or fourth pass on season one i've never done the same thing for season two because we didn't have the the motivation and i just i don't know it's hard for

00:52:55 Chris

it it's it's too depressing to go back and watch

00:52:58 Merrily

oh

00:53:01 Merrily

yes yeah to learn what could have been i know

00:53:05

mm hmm

00:53:06 Merrily

what kind of on that speculation front

00:53:09 Merrily

because we didn't get a third season

00:53:12 Merrily

one other thing one of the many cliffhangers was

00:53:17 Merrily

like what happens to el marvin metz who is played by paul giamatti who is my god

00:53:22 Merrily

most hilarious thing i mean the whole show is hilarious but like

00:53:26

his

00:53:26 Merrily

like little cherry on top of everything was just amazing

00:53:31 Merrily

so we used to think happened to him

00:53:33 Merrily

i don't know girl

00:53:34 Claire

i'll tell you what happened to him

00:53:35

ok

00:53:36

there you go

00:53:37 Claire

he discovered a little website called twitter dot

00:53:39 Claire

we now know it is x and he got deeply cancelled after saying that his books don't appeal to women because they're too muscular and masculine

00:53:50 Claire

like now yeah he's a

00:53:54 Claire

i mean sad like he's he might be kind of a leader of

00:53:57 Claire

boys but i

00:53:58 Claire

he does have a sensitive side like he i'm pretty sure he he he got into a little trouble on twitter

00:54:07

but

00:54:08

like a die

00:54:08 Jim

deep deep deep

00:54:08 Claire

hard fans i'm still i'm sure still have his back you know

00:54:11 Claire

at

00:54:11 Chris

least he wasn't

00:54:12 Chris

his muse wasn't a fourteen year old as we're learning about some other famous authors right now

00:54:12 Jim

thanks to another

00:54:17

yeah oh my god

00:54:21 Bart

well he would have been big on twitter

00:54:23 Bart

'cause i mean i'm sure elon would have taken him

00:54:25 Bart

his wing

00:54:26 Bart

he was cancelled you know

00:54:27 Claire

i'm

00:54:27 Claire

yeah you're right

00:54:29 Claire

is a real

00:54:29 Chris

yeah you gotta

00:54:30 Chris

gotta mark your year right

00:54:32 Jim

three times yeah

00:54:33 Chris

ok

00:54:33 Claire

sorry this was like

00:54:35 Claire

this is this is when like people were still getting kicked off for or no well you wouldn't have been kicked off

00:54:41 Claire

would have had his fans but like

00:54:43 Claire

he would have been cancelled in a way

00:54:46 Claire

just

00:54:50 Claire

no he probably wouldn't have been cancelled you're right

00:54:53 Claire

never mind guys

00:54:55 Chris

or cancel and then redirected

00:54:58 Claire

yeah

00:54:59 Claire

little

00:55:00 Claire

ck moments for him though

00:55:05

yeah

00:55:07 Claire

just

00:55:08 Claire

ah

00:55:10 Claire

yeah that's and then maybe becomes like a model for like turtlenecks and blazers because it's a strong look

00:55:16 Merrily

yeah it was

00:55:19

yeah

00:55:21 Jim

yeah yeah i'm sure there could have been

00:55:22 Chris

if the shirt actually

00:55:24 Jim

wait a minute you things in store for him if there had been a season three

00:55:30 Jim

i probably wouldn't run into him again for sure

00:55:36 Chris

paul giamatti 's power

00:55:37 Chris

hollywood must not be that great 'cause

00:55:39 Chris

can you know

00:55:40 Chris

and he was out there lobbying that like

00:55:41 Merrily

he was

00:55:43 Chris

yeah but i mean i guess his i guess

00:55:45 Chris

power is only is only so strong

00:55:49 Claire

yeah

00:55:51 Jim

so mary you

00:55:52

yeah i mean i'm

00:55:52 Jim

i was gonna say you watched the post pandemic when it aired and when we first watched it and started our started the podcast it was before you know covid or even the thought that that would that could happen

00:56:09 Jim

i'm just wondering if like seeing for the first time in this era now

00:56:14 Jim

brings up different

00:56:15 Jim

you know about kind of the themes and the meaning

00:56:16

hmm

00:56:19 Jim

as opposed to

00:56:21 Jim

when we were watching it which i mean times were not the greatest in some ways already but

00:56:29 Merrily

i mean i think

00:56:30 Merrily

i mean obviously the very obvious one is like the toilet paper was like oh my gosh you guys are like psychically

00:56:37 Merrily

dragging that the way like people around

00:56:38

australian

00:56:40 Bart

well that's you too

00:56:40 Merrily

yeah

00:56:43 Merrily

but i yeah like i said i i i was watching it during the pandemic and i was just you know it was just kind of a nice light because everybody was trying to do what do they call it

00:56:56 Merrily

scrolling like everybody 's watching horror movies like

00:56:59 Merrily

like it was very heavy heavy heavy and i was like i can't

00:57:03 Merrily

do that and i'm like i don't you know and i'm i was trying to like distance myself from the news like i don't watch the news i don't do any of

00:57:10 Merrily

anymore but so

00:57:13 Merrily

so it was more like oh wow this is yeah something that is very different

00:57:19 Merrily

and that i'm very grateful for but i yeah i think just just seeing it post pandemic is or i guess during the pandemic too is just

00:57:31 Merrily

yeah just reminding me how it was just such a nice little light for me is like watching media

00:57:40 Merrily

yeah

00:57:41 Merrily

all i can add for that

00:57:43 Claire

i mean we we

00:57:43

it's

00:57:44 Chris

had its moment right

00:57:45

yeah

00:57:47 Claire

we are

00:57:48 Claire

i think the second season of our podcast

00:57:51 Claire

during that's when i joined you guys

00:57:54 Jim

yeah when we had the guests and everything yeah yeah

00:57:56 Claire

you know those guests

00:57:59 Claire

and that that

00:57:59 Claire

a nice like reprieve you know

00:58:01 Jim

right that's true it was yeah

00:58:03 Claire

something to focus on

00:58:04 Jim

yeah

00:58:06 Chris

probably made it easier to book those actors too

00:58:12 Claire

yeah now that i think about it

00:58:16 Chris

and i'm not just talking

00:58:18 Bart

well no i mean let's be fair they were

00:58:18 Chris

about ourselves but we wonder all of them

00:58:22 Jim

i was just

00:58:23 Jim

at you know descriptions of our episodes

00:58:23 Bart

i mean but

00:58:25 Jim

was

00:58:25 Jim

oh yeah we had that person

00:58:27 Jim

that person like damn we got like yeah

00:58:31 Claire

yeah

00:58:31 Jim

all the bags

00:58:32 Bart

well i they were all more than happy to do it

00:58:35 Bart

every single one of them

00:58:36 Merrily

what

00:58:37 Jim

they love the show so much

00:58:39 Bart

yeah i mean we didn't

00:58:40 Bart

yeah we

00:58:41 Bart

really get turned down by anybody and

00:58:44 Bart

it was

00:58:45 Bart

more to do with the fact that

00:58:47 Bart

they just sort of wanted to talk about it and i think

00:58:51 Bart

you know i mean did we talk to

00:58:53 Bart

wyatt after it was cancelled right

00:58:56 Bart

yeah yeah

00:58:56 Jim

we did that all of the all of them

00:58:58 Bart

all all of them

00:59:00 Bart

so if if if you know if if it hadn't been cancelled and he was getting lots of roles and stuff like that maybe he wouldn't have had the

00:59:10 Bart

i could

00:59:10 Bart

but i think it was because

00:59:12 Bart

you know it was

00:59:13 Bart

so it's all one of the theme that kind of went through all of them i think was how special it was to

00:59:18 Bart

it was like beyond just a good gig or whatever on a show they just truly kind of loved it and they loved the scripts and they loved jim

00:59:28 Bart

yeah so it is remarkable that we got them but it was also i thought remarkable that they were all so like happy to do it you know like it wasn't like i could give you twenty minutes on tuesday morning

00:59:41 Bart

know it was never like

00:59:42 Bart

they were very they're all very very pleasant people and just i was you know pleasantly

00:59:48 Bart

shocked by it you know and easy to talk to too right

00:59:50 Claire

yeah

00:59:52 Jim

yeah

00:59:53 Chris

yeah i mean i think it was when we this actually declared origin story though she wasn't there for this part of the event

01:00:02 Chris

you know when we did the when we did the which is just before covid strangely enough when we did the long beach comic con you know and we you know and we asked

01:00:11 Chris

mean we get seven or eight of them came out and we had so we booked so many guests and

01:00:16 Chris

we had to do two

01:00:17 Chris

we had to like do a rat bring the guests up and then dismiss them and then bring another round of guests up on

01:00:20 Jim

yeah

01:00:22 Jim

wow right right

01:00:23 Chris

on the panel i mean it was crazy that that they all that they all came out it that was that was so much fun that that actually felt like the lodge that that afternoon and then we met claire at the drink meet up later on that night

01:00:39 Claire

that's

01:00:40 Claire

and then i think like we connected again 'cause you put out something on twitter or somewhere looking for someone to help edit

01:00:40

yeah

01:00:48 Claire

the podcast like put in some clips from the show and it and i was like i got the goods so

01:00:56 Claire

and

01:00:56 Chris

thing you did was remember we wanted to do who would be your lodge

01:00:59 Chris

like remember everyone who would be your who would be your your what's it called quarantine group and and

01:01:04

yeah corns

01:01:05

pot

01:01:07 Chris

yeah you did the graphics for like you know pick your pod or whatever

01:01:08 Claire

that was very fun

01:01:10 Claire

that was fun

01:01:12 Claire

yeah that was that was really cool

01:01:16 Claire

yeah and then then i started on the show like as a treat for for helping out limited things

01:01:21

good

01:01:24 Claire

oh thank you sure

01:01:26 Chris

i think your first appearance was on the mad men book club right

01:01:30 Chris

it was on mike mike

01:01:31 Claire

yeah i think middleman

01:01:34 Chris

middleman yeah yeah yeah

01:01:38 Claire

i would join a madman because i didn't know there was a novelization but i'd join it

01:01:44 Claire

yeah we we we did the middleman book club i think very early on in the pandemic

01:01:50 Bart

yeah yeah

01:01:52 Chris

still one of our most downloaded episodes strangely

01:01:54 Claire

really people do read books

01:01:56

yeah yeah

01:01:56 Claire

amazing it's so cool

01:01:58

that's great

01:02:00 Claire

great yeah

01:02:02 Bart

by the way just hit me

01:02:02 Claire

then

01:02:05

i'm sorry

01:02:06

oh go ahead

01:02:08 Bart

i think i think i know what el marvin metz would have done and he would have created a submarine type thing with video game controllers but instead of going to see the titanic up close he would have it would have gone into the middle of the earth and

01:02:23 Bart

can you that

01:02:24 Bart

killed

01:02:26 Jim

i'm sorry

01:02:28 Claire

i definitely thought you were

01:02:29 Claire

to say you were going to have like

01:02:32

a podcast or music

01:02:32 Jim

so that's that's a no i i

01:02:37 Claire

yeah he's like kind of a luddite i guess

01:02:39 Claire

yeah yeah

01:02:42 Jim

and so to go to submersible

01:02:45

yeah

01:02:45 Claire

car sond some can do it

01:02:47 Claire

can do it

01:02:47 Jim

so yeah

01:02:50 Bart

highted himself and be the captain

01:02:51 Chris

i guess he's our white whale

01:02:52 Chris

never

01:02:53 Chris

we never asked for paul giamatti but

01:02:55 Chris

never he

01:02:56 Chris

he didn't say no

01:02:57 Chris

we just never asked

01:02:58 Jim

she didn't

01:02:59 Jim

i think we're yeah maybe we're

01:03:00 Claire

and then bruce campbell

01:03:01 Bart

true

01:03:03 Claire

yeah well

01:03:04

we had a little plan

01:03:05 Jim

we were gonna try to go see bruce campbell at some signing he was doing and then this it didn't

01:03:08 Claire

that's right

01:03:10 Jim

fell apart and we thought maybe

01:03:11 Chris

he was doing a drive

01:03:13 Chris

they were doing like evil dead that they're doing a bruce campbell at the driving and he was probably with touring you know through half the country and we were gonna go

01:03:21 Chris

we were gonna go

01:03:22 Chris

you know it was the one in new york we were gonna it just didn't it didn't happen

01:03:26 Jim

yeah yeah

01:03:29 Merrily

well

01:03:29 Chris

he probably didn't remember shooting it

01:03:33 Merrily

that's true too

01:03:37 Merrily

yeah i forgot about bruce campbell too

01:03:39 Merrily

on that

01:03:39 Bart

i still think about twenty

01:03:39 Merrily

they got so many good people

01:03:41 Merrily

my god

01:03:42 Chris

teach marin

01:03:44

that that that

01:03:44 Claire

is something i'm going to dock amc for is like you know how many people are in thrall to bruce campbell like you know how many people would have just tuned in just to see him like you need to promote the hell out

01:03:57 Claire

that like

01:03:57 Bart

that's

01:03:59 Claire

a number of white boys alone like

01:04:04

that's right

01:04:06 Claire

yeah you would have

01:04:07 Claire

yeah you would have done some insane numbers yeah

01:04:11 Merrily

claire why can't you be am cs marketing person

01:04:15 Claire

reach out to reach out to them for me

01:04:19 Chris

but then i'm going to work

01:04:20 Merrily

yes oh weird

01:04:24 Merrily

well yes thank you for everyone for speculating well what we think may have happened to el marvin metz

01:04:32 Merrily

let's see so as this is the thing i wanted to talk about probably the most among all the great things we already chit chatted about

01:04:41 Merrily

the episode

01:04:43 Merrily

of your guys 's show that i enjoyed the most was the one with thomas patterson

01:04:48 Merrily

who is like the music guru i think was the time for something that he had on the show

01:04:55 Merrily

because the among all the wonderful things about the show one of the things that was i was like wow this has a great soundtrack and it's not even music i like like or i even really listened to but i was like this is good like all of it

01:05:08 Merrily

and so yeah so i was really happy that you guys got to talk with

01:05:12 Merrily

thomas

01:05:15 Merrily

like how yeah

01:05:15 Chris

yeah he's awesome

01:05:16 Bart

yeah the music was was huge

01:05:19 Bart

i thought

01:05:20 Bart

i mean even the there's like composed

01:05:24 Bart

i forget his name but we met him out in the comic con as well and

01:05:27 Chris

andrew carroll i think andrew carroll yeah

01:05:30 Bart

andrew carroll

01:05:31 Bart

that's right andrew carroll

01:05:33 Bart

and then of course also speaking of which thomas patterson 's wife is genevieve from the when they're in mexico the the muse yeah

01:05:38 Merrily

that's

01:05:39 Jim

right the museum

01:05:43 Bart

so

01:05:45 Bart

but yeah that that i always thought the music was just like hit after hit after hit

01:05:49 Bart

even a

01:05:49 Bart

playlist on spotify for those that are interested

01:05:52 Bart

think it's called larry loomis

01:05:54 Bart

jukebox or something like that lodge forty nine soundtrack

01:05:58 Claire

yeah yeah

01:06:00 Bart

and it's great

01:06:02 Claire

and i mean it's it's significant that cold hard times was such like you know a poll for both bart and chris and like

01:06:12 Claire

i had even written that down as one of the things that appealed to me was like i think i'm incepting myself i think

01:06:16 Claire

was actually what chris and bart told

01:06:18 Claire

and also it's just such a great a great song

01:06:22 Claire

just

01:06:23 Claire

and the yeah the willingness to kind of cast such a wide net but it also feels so cohesive

01:06:31 Claire

yeah the use of like the song like the seventh seal during during ernie 's you know jump through the hoop and then like locket by like when the muse sings that song from don quixote which like it feels on the nose 'cause they aren't like a little qu

01:06:38 Bart

hmm

01:06:48 Claire

but it's it's so yeah it's so perfect

01:06:54 Bart

yeah nature boy too right nature boy gosh yeah

01:06:55 Jim

boy i was just gonna say yeah

01:07:01 Chris

he he doesn't have a music supervision credit since two thousand

01:07:04 Chris

which is just a crime

01:07:08 Chris

so ridiculous

01:07:09 Chris

but he's like a mover and shaker in you know the sort of british hitter music

01:07:14 Chris

and to me that was so fascinating about that interview is how deep the lore goes between him and jim gavin

01:07:21 Chris

know i mean here's a twenty year friendship

01:07:25 Chris

bonded over music and trading mix tapes and stuff since they were like college kids

01:07:28 Chris

you know turning each other on the stuff so like to me those are like those are the kind of like magic that abuse the production of the show right

01:07:37 Chris

like it was

01:07:38 Chris

what was what we were experiencing on the screen was happening behind the scene and that was because you know the the editors the costume people like the music supervisors the composer we talked to many of those

01:07:50 Chris

well we thought that was important because and they

01:07:53 Chris

i think there was magic happening and making the show and i think that really comes through and so when you talk about like you know like and you know we're all big music heads and you know so like you know he's like out there finding but he tells

01:08:06 Chris

story of like trying to track down the rights to some like random forty five that he had and stuff

01:08:09 Jim

yeah

01:08:11 Chris

so like that stuff was just like super fascinating

01:08:13 Chris

he

01:08:14 Chris

on his own sweat

01:08:15 Chris

like

01:08:15 Chris

like all these things like in they they all make their way

01:08:20 Chris

into the magic of the show but yeah he's a fascinating guy remember he

01:08:23 Chris

early days of covid did 'cause he runs like a music magazine

01:08:26 Chris

the uk and stuff

01:08:29 Chris

he did a whole all

01:08:31 Chris

where he got like twenty five bands and then he just like bounce around to different like zoom rooms or whatever and they would and there was like a set you know

01:08:39 Chris

time and stuff

01:08:41 Chris

so yeah he's a fascinating guy

01:08:43 Chris

he and his wife

01:08:45 Chris

then and then

01:08:47 Chris

and then sonia cassidy they sent in an

01:08:49 Chris

message

01:08:50 Chris

for the longest for the long beach festival they're like this is so great

01:08:51 Jim

yeah

01:08:53 Chris

wish we could be there and

01:08:54 Chris

so it's just like i don't know people

01:09:01

yeah

01:09:03 Chris

i want to go to a party dj

01:09:05 Chris

what i'm

01:09:05 Chris

we should all let's all fly

01:09:07 Chris

the uk and see when he's like dj ing some party

01:09:11 Chris

i'm sure that's happening

01:09:12 Claire

yeah i'm down for sure

01:09:16 Jim

well thanks for me this

01:09:17 Bart

councillor dawson

01:09:18 Jim

you know i feel like it did a really good job of including

01:09:23 Jim

songs that were moving and emotionally resonant but never like sappy or maudlin or like often i'm watching tv and i have to press mute because

01:09:33 Jim

like i hate this song

01:09:34

i don't know playing

01:09:36 Jim

it's terrible and like even this show i just watch

01:09:38 Jim

show the day of the jackal

01:09:41 Jim

kind of binge that over the weekend

01:09:43 Jim

which whatever had you had you know

01:09:46 Jim

it was all right

01:09:47 Jim

but too much of it was just like trying to turn the montages into just music videos

01:09:53 Jim

like it didn't compliment

01:09:57 Jim

the story or really even the image it was just like let's hear this obvious song in there that everyone knows and just like still little thought to it you know

01:10:03 Claire

yeah

01:10:05 Claire

it's it's like emotionally manipulative and like there isn't like this show is so good at coming like it

01:10:11 Claire

being like

01:10:12 Claire

emotionally resonant without tipping over into manipulation you know and that extends to the music choices as well

01:10:22 Chris

didn't he tell

01:10:23 Chris

in fact i think it was like if it gets renewed for a third season he'd share it with

01:10:26 Chris

but he had laylists for all the major characters like he had twenty to forty song playlists that define each character in his mind

01:10:35 Chris

to i bet you i bet

01:10:35 Chris

most of those

01:10:37 Chris

didn't even get anywhere near the actual final versions of the episode

01:10:41 Chris

that was that was his

01:10:43 Chris

like a live

01:10:44 Chris

like the ernie playlist or whatever

01:10:46 Chris

amazing

01:10:47

right

01:10:49 Merrily

i love that

01:10:50 Merrily

my gosh i know it's so great and very cool

01:10:52 Chris

i know he he told us

01:10:55 Chris

he teased us and said maybe i'll give it to you

01:10:57 Chris

day but alas

01:11:02

oh man yeah

01:11:06 Merrily

anything else we want to talk about

01:11:06

and

01:11:07 Merrily

music

01:11:08 Merrily

or move on

01:11:10

well the one

01:11:11 Chris

thing that they they actually made a soundtrack

01:11:14 Merrily

they did

01:11:14 Chris

but it was like

01:11:15 Chris

yeah there was this company that would only do digital versions of it

01:11:19 Chris

could buy it

01:11:19 Chris

bought it for like nine ninety nine or whatever

01:11:22 Chris

it wasn't

01:11:23 Chris

it was only like twelve tracks

01:11:24 Chris

but and i i was like an annoying person

01:11:27 Chris

i was like

01:11:27 Chris

it's like when are you doing a limited run on vinyl like you know like press this into a record do like five thousand whatever

01:11:34 Chris

me

01:11:35 Chris

but and they were like we're not doing that

01:11:37 Chris

this weird company that will like

01:11:39 Chris

it's almost like a boutique label that does like digital versions of things that not many people want and then i think they had some like well if it sells enough digitally or whatever then maybe we'll consider pressing it to record he told me

01:11:50 Chris

he he he said bug them

01:11:53 Chris

but it didn't

01:11:54 Chris

you know like just like everything

01:11:55 Chris

and there wasn't a a mass of people demanding that they press the official soundtrack into vinyl

01:12:02 Merrily

darn

01:12:03 Jim

for me that is one of the you know lasting effects of the show for me i do listen to i go back and listen to that soundtrack

01:12:10

mm hmm

01:12:12 Jim

pretty often

01:12:14 Jim

not just for nostalgia

01:12:16 Jim

the show but also because it's great

01:12:17 Jim

now

01:12:20 Merrily

i would say i think the way i was describing it was like it sounds like a lot of psychedelia which i think thomas patterson kind of mentioned in the in your guys interview with him

01:12:32 Merrily

'cause that's kind of

01:12:33 Merrily

the the vibe

01:12:33 Merrily

the soundtrack for the most

01:12:35 Merrily

there's obviously other things that aren't necessarily in that category

01:12:40 Chris

you can still purchase the digital

01:12:43 Chris

the digital version still it's still out there in the world came out in december of twenty nineteen

01:12:51

hmm

01:12:52 Chris

and it's got fifteen tracks including susie kane aka the muse aka thomas paterson 's wife version of nature boy

01:13:04 Merrily

lovely awesome

01:13:05

and

01:13:06 Chris

it's got some of the andrew carroll score stuff

01:13:10 Chris

on it too

01:13:12 Chris

which i'm convinced by

01:13:13 Chris

way if you if you watched

01:13:16 Chris

only murders in the

01:13:17 Chris

and what i like every every time the intro only i'm like they ripped off andrew carroll

01:13:22 Chris

go do like a compare and contrast a

01:13:24 Chris

of forty nine theme and the only mirrors in the building theme i'm like god damn it

01:13:29 Chris

damn it

01:13:30 Chris

you know like they looked at it

01:13:33 Claire

yeah

01:13:34 Claire

only murders in the building are catching strays on the park yeah

01:13:36

replay

01:13:40 Chris

every time i watch it i look for his name even though i'm i have a hundred percent know it's not going to be there

01:13:45

i

01:13:46 Chris

do love looking for

01:13:47 Chris

me and jack with one of the executive producers

01:13:49 Chris

the one that sent us all the slag

01:13:51 Chris

she was like nobody else cares and i have an office full of slag so i'm sending it to you guys to distribute and we distributed it in long beach

01:13:53

yeah

01:14:00 Chris

but she's a producer on the apple show thylan like i i i love i look for the credits

01:14:06 Chris

i'm always in the hunt for a lot and they're out there you know not in the behind the scenes people the actors you know i think every time that like linda

01:14:14 Chris

who's awesome

01:14:15 Chris

fact it was on only murray in the building

01:14:18 Chris

pops up we're like oh there she is

01:14:19 Chris

she probably works the most than anybody

01:14:22 Chris

isn't that probably fair

01:14:24 Chris

even more than wyatt russell

01:14:26

he

01:14:27 Jim

and she's asking the other age

01:14:28

she also

01:14:30 Claire

yeah i think

01:14:31 Claire

she she's i mean like

01:14:33 Claire

yeah she's not quite a character actors but she's versatile and

01:14:40 Merrily

what's happening

01:14:41

smart

01:14:44 Bart

sorry he knows that the trains

01:14:49

yeah one sec

01:14:51 Merrily

no worries

01:14:53 Jim

so i've been doing this kind of guilty pleasure binge on netflix of madam secretary

01:15:00 Jim

i don't know 's ever watched that show but as far as tea leone is the secretary of state sort of west wingy

01:15:07 Jim

and like it's gets pretty silly

01:15:10 Jim

but linda eman is on that

01:15:11 Jim

very rarely very occasionally she is the wife of of one of the main characters

01:15:17 Jim

just like her mother generally

01:15:20 Jim

white house chief of staff

01:15:22 Jim

and the whole thing is like he's always like yelling and screaming at

01:15:25 Jim

so he hasn't attack her while on the show when she pops in is only to be like you need to

01:15:31 Jim

eat that like you should be doing yoga

01:15:34 Jim

gotta get your broccoli down

01:15:35

installed

01:15:38 Chris

oh she was on concession right wasn't she

01:15:40 Chris

right wing lawyer on

01:15:41 Chris

she called up all of us yet

01:15:43

yeah

01:15:45 Claire

yep she works

01:15:45 Chris

goodnight linda

01:15:48

yeah

01:15:49 Chris

i feel like the blooms come off

01:15:50 Chris

rustle a little bit though

01:15:51 Chris

that godzilla thing with his dad didn't work and like out there fucking the lake hour

01:15:54 Bart

i don't know

01:15:57 Chris

on we need to get him

01:15:58 Chris

we need to get him a good role

01:16:00

yes

01:16:03 Merrily

yeah

01:16:03 Chris

he's so cute

01:16:06 Merrily

so kind of was it

01:16:06 Bart

well he played that psycho in the mormon movie

01:16:11 Chris

oh he was good in that

01:16:12 Jim

ohh yeah with andrew garfield

01:16:12 Chris

he was good in that

01:16:15 Chris

yeah yeah that

01:16:19 Chris

under the heaven of god or

01:16:23 Jim

heaven

01:16:25

all

01:16:25 Chris

right now we're just hearing out on the

01:16:28 Bart

yeah

01:16:30 Merrily

well it kind of was

01:16:30 Claire

from wikipedia

01:16:34 Merrily

kind of similarly

01:16:35 Merrily

sort of a good segue i think into sort of similar

01:16:39 Merrily

i don't know jim if that was the show you were discussing was a show that is similar to lodge forty nine 'cause i feel like there are some things that came out

01:16:48 Merrily

that are kind of similar

01:16:52 Merrily

but do you guys have any show recommendations that kind of have the same vibe

01:16:56 Claire

so sorry to take this from like 'cause we've been talking about this show in in the group chat which is somebody somewhere

01:17:03

oh

01:17:04 Claire

on hbo it's a really lovely simple show like

01:17:09 Claire

about

01:17:10 Claire

bridget everett and like going back home to kansas to be with her family after her sister

01:17:18 Claire

and yeah it's just a really lovely show about kind of found families and also healing with your own family

01:17:27 Claire

yeah and i mean it's tough to find a show that's similar to lodge forty

01:17:31 Claire

there are a lot of shows that are similar to it in different capacities like i was thinking about the bear especially seasons one and two because it's about exploring people 's

01:17:41 Claire

passing for growth and

01:17:45 Claire

and it it's you know more optimistic than you would expect it to be like

01:17:51 Claire

just from the first couple episodes

01:17:55 Claire

i think jury duty is great at like in terms of like having faith in your fellow human beings and if you're looking for something that has like like shared genetic material you know with large forty nine i would say like mrs davis which like olethia jones is one

01:18:11 Claire

the executive producers of and

01:18:14 Claire

she was one of the directors on lodge forty nine

01:18:19 Claire

and it's it's similar in terms of inventiveness and interesting narrative

01:18:25 Jim

is that one of betty gillpen

01:18:27 Claire

yeah yeah great time

01:18:30 Claire

i also have movie recommendations but i'll i'll let someone else go

01:18:30

ok

01:18:36 Jim

there's the show patriot that is similar and that has

01:18:41 Jim

quirky characters in unexpected situations that in some ways you know seem similar to some things that happen a lot of forty nine

01:18:52 Jim

it has a more cynical world view and it's kind of about people doing bad

01:18:57 Jim

as opposed to

01:18:58 Jim

you know community and coming together

01:19:01 Jim

for the common good

01:19:03 Jim

but it's

01:19:04 Jim

it is a funny show

01:19:05 Chris

somewhere somehow be my pick because i agree with claire in terms of like it's about bound family and community and it's it doesn't care about its pacing or intentionally like low and slow and all those things it's not

01:19:19 Chris

mean it

01:19:19 Chris

it doesn't have like the look

01:19:20 Chris

feel it's similar

01:19:22 Chris

it's it's it's an ensemble

01:19:22 Jim

yeah

01:19:24 Chris

ensemble cast but you know but it has

01:19:28 Chris

got the same soul i think probably

01:19:30 Chris

and some of the same

01:19:32 Chris

you know somewhat concedes

01:19:34 Chris

i i got to be

01:19:35 Chris

i think there's plenty of shows that i'd like you know but i don't think i've found anything

01:19:42 Chris

i don't think anything has been the same and even

01:19:45 Chris

i still watch a ton of stuff

01:19:49

i watch less

01:19:50 Chris

after you know like you know it or it's been like and i think part of it is like

01:19:55 Chris

know

01:19:55 Chris

other things to explore and you know like it was almost like it didn't ruin tv for me but it it it like

01:20:02 Chris

it it degraded it some my my my my like obsessiveness of it was nowhere near the the same after

01:20:03 Bart

broken

01:20:12 Claire

yeah

01:20:15 Chris

although i did enjoy for a while i think it was when

01:20:17 Chris

two

01:20:17 Chris

on succession and lodge forty nine were running their season simultaneously or like right at the same time

01:20:25 Chris

and it was a fascinating duology on the commentary of late stage capitalism

01:20:29 Chris

obviously much different vantage point but like

01:20:33 Chris

the world view was exactly the

01:20:35 Chris

it just one happened to like be focusing on you know the

01:20:38 Chris

you know the sort of quote unquote dead enders i don't believe that

01:20:41 Chris

that you know would

01:20:42 Chris

and then you know obviously the the the power elite and so to watch them as a compare and contrast knowing that they probably had the very very similar modern critiques was a really kind of fascinating yin yin

01:20:56 Claire

yeah i'm i'm glad you said succession too 'cause i had that written down as something that's like the like the other side of the coin with lodge forty nine it's like they're kind of saying the same thing but it's just this is like

01:20:56

yeah

01:21:11 Claire

they both yeah they

01:21:12 Claire

they both have the same worldview

01:21:15 Claire

and that

01:21:18 Claire

there's it's kind of a dead

01:21:19 Claire

for characters in the rich elite side as well like

01:21:25 Claire

yeah it's just that you know kind of everyone suffers under capitalism i mean like i don't know

01:21:32 Claire

don't want to say that rich people suffer under capitalism

01:21:35 Claire

want to take that

01:21:35 Claire

i want to take that

01:21:37 Claire

i want to go back in time

01:21:40 Claire

yeah it just creates divisions and you know the result of those natural divisions are like the roy family

01:21:48 Claire

you know

01:21:51 Chris

did you guys see how they just admitted that

01:21:56 Chris

'cause the the the real murdochs are going through a whole

01:21:59 Chris

how are we gonna divide up the empire

01:22:01 Chris

like right now

01:22:02 Merrily

yeah

01:22:02 Chris

and they they i can't remember where exactly the plot point was

01:22:07 Chris

so my story 's not gonna be as good as it could be but they basically said let's do it like we they did on succession

01:22:14 Claire

oh no

01:22:15 Chris

talk talk about like through the looking glass moment they they one of the one of the murdoch kids said they had it right on

01:22:23 Chris

try what they did on sessions yeah

01:22:23 Bart

that looks great

01:22:26 Bart

yeah

01:22:27 Claire

who watches that and takes that away

01:22:30 Claire

as the message that's just

01:22:32 Chris

'cause the murder

01:22:33 Chris

being made media literacy is

01:22:36 Claire

so like my god but like marilyn shows that you think are similar in terms of like a cult

01:22:40 Claire

have

01:22:44 Claire

so the esoteric

01:22:46 Claire

content

01:22:47 Merrily

well i don't know about shows like i think the movie i mentioned the dark song is a good one to check out

01:22:51 Claire

yeah

01:22:56 Merrily

if you're in a kind of spooky mood

01:22:59 Merrily

but as far as like similar shows to lodge forty nine the one that i really liked was reservation dogs

01:23:08 Merrily

don't know if you guys have seen that it has

01:23:10

yeah

01:23:11 Merrily

like some of the episodes i don't think we're strong but there are some really good episodes that i enjoyed all the characters so that i sure i think shared in common and of course sort of the magically realism stuff that's in that and

01:23:28 Merrily

yeah i think that it balances tragedy and comedy very well

01:23:33 Merrily

to lodge forty nine

01:23:35 Claire

i am

01:23:37 Claire

furious with myself for not coming up with that

01:23:40 Claire

i'm from tulsa

01:23:41 Claire

i'm from

01:23:41

hello

01:23:42 Claire

i used to work like with sterling harjo like the show runner and so like and so

01:23:44 Merrily

oh yeah you

01:23:47 Claire

i just like

01:23:48 Claire

so mad like i was even thinking about it

01:23:50 Claire

i don't know why i didn't write it down but yeah like all

01:23:53 Claire

points exactly

01:23:54 Claire

like it offers an alternate system to like

01:23:58 Claire

you know you know white judeo christian capitalists everything and it's it focuses on community and

01:24:07 Claire

yeah i am

01:24:09 Claire

furious with myself for not saying that

01:24:11 Claire

i'm so sorry oklahoma i'm so sorry oklahoma

01:24:12 Merrily

we're rewinding time

01:24:16 Claire

i haven't forgotten you

01:24:20 Merrily

bart do you have a show recommendations

01:24:20 Claire

yeah

01:24:28 Bart

i well i i would say

01:24:31 Bart

to me i sort of feel like there isn't ai

01:24:34 Bart

know if i'm being too cynical or whatever

01:24:38 Bart

not to be cynical claire but

01:24:40 Jim

i i just

01:24:40 Bart

sort of felt like the show was special in like in so many the layers that are happening of the way that the show is sort of done

01:24:48 Bart

to me it seems like impossible to recreate or i i don't think that we'll see another one like it

01:24:57 Bart

just the way i

01:24:58 Bart

so

01:24:59 Bart

there's plenty of shows that i love and there's shows that i think are fun and i on their recommendation i started to watch somebody somewhere and i i would agree that that's sort of community based ness of it kind of reminds me of lodge forty nine in a

01:25:15 Bart

but then i think that lodge forty nine just has so many other sort of layers go on to it and it's nothing to take away from somebody somewhere but

01:25:23 Bart

to me it's it's hard to imagine that like i just it just it's such an a class of its own

01:25:30 Bart

that you know and and and possibly because of the way it like appealed to me with through the music of whatever but just there was so much depth going on and what i really loved was that like

01:25:43 Bart

there was it's like there's a whole show that's happening that you can watch and then without even knowing half of the things he's referencing most of the

01:25:52 Bart

and then when you dig deeper to it you know and i think there might be shows that would be also like that which i've like oh you can follow the plot line but then oh did you know he was referencing at times mentioned novel did you know he

01:26:03 Bart

did you know he was doing that

01:26:04 Bart

but then i don't think that they would also have like the heart and the community and then like the comedy as well you know and and the note that it hits for me on the heart is a very very specific one

01:26:16 Bart

that you know

01:26:20 Bart

i

01:26:20 Bart

don't imagine that i would see in other ways

01:26:23 Bart

in other shows i just i

01:26:25 Bart

i don't imagine that i'll be struck like that by a show kind of ever again

01:26:29 Bart

mean i you know it's it's who knows it's possible but

01:26:32 Bart

it to me it's a very unique

01:26:35 Bart

and specific and special like thing you know that i it's hard for me to even imagine it would be replicated in some way

01:26:44 Bart

well

01:26:46 Bart

but i'm watching a lot of anime with my kids 'cause it's like kind of fun to they can watch it and i can enjoy it

01:26:51 Bart

i'm going to my anime years

01:26:57 Chris

bank of bar

01:26:58 Merrily

yeah

01:27:01 Bart

there's a lot for christmas coming

01:27:03 Merrily

oh

01:27:08 Merrily

well thanks

01:27:09 Merrily

yeah i i

01:27:10 Merrily

it's kind of a hard one to kind of compare so thanks for sharing your feelings on that

01:27:17 Merrily

so we're kind of wrapping up here everyone

01:27:20 Merrily

so we kind of like share like where people can find you if you want to kind of shout out your different you

01:27:28 Merrily

places where people can learn more about you or what you're kind of up to if you wanna share

01:27:34 Merrily

so kind of leave that

01:27:37 Claire

i mean i'm on instagram

01:27:38 Claire

have a long

01:27:40 Claire

it's claire underscore and

01:27:42 Claire

present danger like clare and like the tom clancy novel is fine

01:27:47 Claire

present danger i'm not really active on anything else

01:27:52 Claire

these days but you can find my editing reel things like that

01:27:57 Claire

and you know photos of me and my partner that's

01:28:02 Claire

actually where i got so

01:28:07

yeah me

01:28:11 Claire

and also with the pav oh no

01:28:15

what happened

01:28:16

i thought

01:28:16 Claire

i

01:28:17 Claire

i i thought everyone froze for a second and then obviously we have the podcast

01:28:19 Merrily

oh yeah

01:28:24 Claire

podcast instagram

01:28:25 Claire

it's pod forty nine just on instagram

01:28:29 Jim

is that i'm strongly remember

01:28:35 Jim

ing podcast

01:28:35 Bart

you jim

01:28:39 Jim

hold

01:28:40 Claire

this should have been the easiest answer

01:28:41

on

01:28:41

i'm

01:28:43 Chris

for the worst self promoters

01:28:47 Claire

it is five forty nine podcast

01:28:49 Merrily

there you go

01:28:50 Claire

on instagram

01:28:53 Claire

yeah

01:28:55 Claire

you got

01:28:57 Claire

some some old videos like

01:29:00 Claire

we cut together to promote stuff

01:29:03 Claire

i think link

01:29:04 Chris

claire did the greatest video bumpers for those episodes

01:29:08 Claire

thank you

01:29:09 Claire

thank you thank

01:29:10 Claire

thank

01:29:10 Claire

oh i wasn't fishing for that but

01:29:14

i

01:29:15

think you can get the link

01:29:16 Chris

from to the podcast archives

01:29:18 Claire

yes yes exactly

01:29:21 Claire

yeah and i know what

01:29:23 Claire

boys have

01:29:25 Claire

they wanna that they wanna promote your

01:29:29 Jim

not much i'm not too out there

01:29:32 Jim

have an instagram but i very barely post on these days

01:29:35 Jim

i'm not

01:29:36

on a bart pitch

01:29:37 Chris

the

01:29:37 Chris

there's got to be somebody coming to

01:29:39 Chris

to you

01:29:41 Bart

yeah i am

01:29:43 Bart

since the during the podcast it was a restaurant called sidecar and since then i've changed it to a bar called lulos but you can come by and see me there anytime

01:29:53 Bart

especially wednesday nights

01:29:54 Bart

i co host the trivia

01:29:56 Bart

i do love to jump behind the bar and be blazed whenever i can but it's less and less these days

01:30:03 Bart

i'm around a lot

01:30:04 Bart

and you know i that that was another part of the lodge forty nine i just loved is the little like the lodge part of it

01:30:12 Bart

know i'm a big fan of that so yeah

01:30:14 Bart

and i guess it's rule of brooklyn and on instagram and i don't do

01:30:20 Bart

mean i'm on twitter myself but i don't really post anything

01:30:24 Bart

and yeah i just post

01:30:26 Bart

for the bar on instagram

01:30:29 Bart

let's stop by and see me anytime

01:30:31 Chris

yeah merely when you coming out

01:30:33 Chris

the east coast

01:30:33 Merrily

oh well i probably sometime next year

01:30:37 Merrily

so yeah if i'm definitely in the area i'll hit you up

01:30:38

alright well yeah

01:30:40 Claire

mary when are you coming down to la

01:30:41 Chris

found that to work on

01:30:43 Claire

love the colts here

01:30:43

oh

01:30:44 Merrily

did they

01:30:46 Merrily

yeah that's true

01:30:47 Chris

love it yeah

01:30:47 Merrily

do

01:30:48 Merrily

they do

01:30:49 Merrily

i'll be there in may i think 'cause i'm going to the cruel world festival

01:30:51

no way

01:30:53 Merrily

been going to that the last few years

01:30:54

not more

01:30:55

what is that

01:30:56 Jim

oh is that the one where till tuesday is reuniting

01:30:56 Chris

sounds fun

01:30:59 Merrily

oh

01:31:00 Merrily

yes that's the one it's got like goth and post punk music which is my jam

01:31:01 Jim

yeah

01:31:03

i

01:31:05 Merrily

me my friends always go

01:31:07 Claire

i will see you for a drink after yay

01:31:10 Merrily

be awesome

01:31:11 Merrily

i love it

01:31:14 Chris

i don't know when this

01:31:15 Chris

air but i

01:31:16 Chris

i do instagram chris larry thirty three

01:31:18 Chris

now on blue sky to

01:31:20 Chris

search chris larry thirty three

01:31:21 Chris

probably get me there

01:31:24 Chris

a lot of good by the way

01:31:26 Chris

of good occult

01:31:27 Chris

groups on there by the

01:31:28 Chris

that's a that's a big group on there yes

01:31:30 Merrily

hmm

01:31:31 Chris

and

01:31:33 Chris

but christmas but i have been enjoying doing my horrible not well i actually don't think they're horrible if i shouldn't be that way

01:31:41 Chris

i review hallmark christmas movies on my instagram

01:31:43

yes

01:31:44 Chris

so that's my that's been my

01:31:46 Jim

i love your ideas

01:31:47 Chris

commentary for the day will dry up obviously in january

01:31:53 Chris

i'm a strict thanksgiving there is

01:31:53 Jim

but there's

01:31:54 Jim

you know they're on

01:31:55 Chris

they are there by mister thanksgiving to new year's day

01:31:58 Chris

can't happen before

01:32:00 Merrily

i can't remember which one but there was one in of those reviews that i was like i think i might actually watch this i don't know

01:32:09 Merrily

but i was like sounds like

01:32:10 Merrily

might actually enjoy that

01:32:10 Bart

it could have been many of

01:32:12 Bart

that's true

01:32:13 Chris

i think was set in norway and they filmed them there too but it had it had actually had an sub

01:32:25 Chris

and they had a scene where i think the dad and the love interest daughter whatever were talking about life and they were all these like seven foot wooden gnome circling them in the forest

01:32:39 Chris

i was like

01:32:39 Chris

we're at a different level for a christmas movie

01:32:42 Chris

i'll i'll send you the name of that one

01:32:48 Claire

i get i get like those movies confused too

01:32:49

god

01:32:52 Claire

like listen it's fine

01:32:53 Claire

i don't care

01:32:54 Bart

no this movie was good

01:32:57 Claire

vintar

01:32:59 Jim

yeah

01:33:01 Claire

yeah boy a lot of people catching strays

01:33:05 Bart

i

01:33:06 Claire

from the arizona

01:33:13

whatever

01:33:14 Merrily

i feel bad

01:33:15 Chris

we're kidding on the rest of you amc

01:33:18 Chris

you're dead to me

01:33:20

yes

01:33:22 Chris

the walking

01:33:23 Chris

walking dead network and that just doesn't describe you

01:33:26 Chris

go

01:33:29 Bart

it's a

01:33:29 Jim

get burn

01:33:30 Merrily

get their asses chris get

01:33:34 Claire

well thank you so much for having us

01:33:36 Claire

oh yes

01:33:37 Jim

yeah

01:33:37 Merrily

thank you

01:33:39 Chris

your regular audience is gonna be like what i know

01:33:41

hey

01:33:42 Merrily

man it's it's casual

01:33:46 Merrily

already set it up we can talk about whatever

01:33:50 Merrily

so we usually you know i kind of have like

01:33:54 Merrily

in my regularly episodes i have folks kind of share words of wisdom

01:33:57 Merrily

and so i let you guys like some words of wisdom that have occurred to you lately doesn't have to relate to log forty nine

01:34:04 Merrily

but any if you would like to share

01:34:11 Chris

you can cut some of the dead air

01:34:14 Merrily

yeah i

01:34:14 Merrily

it's like where's a piston i know

01:34:16 Chris

words of wisdom

01:34:17 Claire

i mean i just kind of want to reiterate something that like i said that sort of

01:34:25 Claire

like i think large forty nine in particular was a show that really resonated because

01:34:34 Claire

it made me feel like you know like there's mystery and there's healing and there's like redemption

01:34:40 Claire

all couched in like the mundane

01:34:43 Claire

and that if you look for it you can find it and it like maybe the universe isn't done surprising you even if it seems like it is

01:34:51 Claire

and i think that being present can reward you with

01:34:55 Claire

with revelations like that and yeah that's it

01:35:02

yeah

01:35:05 Bart

words of wisdom that i've heard since we're talking about late stage capitalism

01:35:05 Chris

i mean

01:35:11 Bart

deny defend

01:35:13 Bart

that's why saying i've heard it some time

01:35:21 Jim

and with that

01:35:22 Merrily

thanks everybody

01:35:26 Bart

you can cut that

01:35:27 Bart

if it's too dark for this little segment

01:35:29 Merrily

nope

01:35:33 Bart

you said lately

01:35:34 Merrily

yeah yeah i did

01:35:35 Jim

yeah that was a good one

01:35:38 Chris

i'll let jim thinks i know he's not

01:35:40 Jim

yeah i have nothing ok

01:35:42 Chris

so i'll say i'll give

01:35:44 Chris

give a

01:35:45 Chris

little bit of a brighter one to barts but

01:35:47 Chris

say look that's dissimilar i'd say one

01:35:50 Chris

i'm glad we got to take weird back even though that was a good dig

01:35:54 Chris

like pissed off that weird got cooped as a way to make fun

01:35:58 Chris

the right

01:35:59

weird

01:35:59 Chris

wing jaw wing

01:36:01 Chris

god damn it so be weirder

01:36:03

yeah

01:36:05 Chris

be more local

01:36:06 Chris

support your people but expand who your people are

01:36:08 Chris

are my words of wisdom

01:36:10 Merrily

yeah love it

01:36:11 Chris

we're taking weird back

01:36:13 Merrily

take your back love

01:36:14 Jim

it

01:36:17 Merrily

oh

01:36:17 Merrily

well thank you guys for letting me have

01:36:18 Bart

squared up jim

01:36:20 Chris

come on jim you gotta have one

01:36:22 Merrily

you have one of them

01:36:23 Jim

i can't think of any of my own

01:36:25 Jim

i can only think of

01:36:28 Jim

from spinal tap

01:36:31 Jim

have a good time all the time there you

01:36:34 Claire

it's perfect

01:36:34 Chris

go

01:36:35

what a perfect spot

01:36:48 Merrily

hear it on that

01:36:49

the

01:36:50 Merrily

yeah thanks you guys

01:36:51 Merrily

so

01:36:52 Merrily

thank you for letting me reunite you to talk about lodge board died and talk about your podcast

01:36:57 Jim

thank you

01:36:59 Merrily

thank you that was great

01:36:59 Chris

yeah it

01:36:59 Chris

it was so fun

01:37:00 Chris

that's

01:37:01 Jim

what i'll see each other too

01:37:03

yeah good

01:37:04 Claire

to see you all

01:37:04 Bart

that was great so much

01:37:10 Merrily

it really was a highlight of my year to chat with these awesome folks from pod forty nine and geek out on great television if you ignored all the spoiler alerts be sure to check out lodge forty nine and pod forty nine

01:37:21 Merrily

won't regret it

01:37:22 Merrily

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01:37:25 Merrily

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01:37:29 Merrily

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01:37:30 Merrily

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