Casual Temple

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Welcome to Casual Temple. This week we welcome back composer and songwriter and now author Kimberly Steele. Kimberly is located in the suburbs of Chicago, where she lives with her husband and cats. Kimberly is going to talk about the upcoming book Sacred Home, making and exploration of spiritual, Intentional and. Creative dimensions of making a home feel like a home, so how many have you passed?

That's amazing. Thank you. Yes, I'm so happy to be here from. I'm here in Aurora, IL.

Yes.

And and and as you said that you were in Seattle, WA.

OK.

Yes, I'm in Seattle.

What's your weather like right now?

Well, today it happens to be kind of cloudy and then in May in Seattle, it's this hilarious thing where it's still it's sunny, but it's still cold.

You know, it's been cool here, but it's it. It warmed up very quickly over the last few days, so I'm I'm it's nice my my irises. Blooming.

Oh.

Yeah. So that's nice. And I think the cat vent is about to to pop and. Yes. So anyway. Yeah. So sacred homemaking. You did a beautiful job describing it. Yeah, I wish I. Had thought of that. Hi. Consider it a a take on the tidying genre. From the occultist standpoint, so people who are familiar with. Marie Kondo, or otherwise known as Konmari or and Swedish death cleaning, we'll find that it's definitely got big similarities to those books, but it's far more of an American take, and it's far more, again, an occult point of view. And. And as I was saying before, the book is divided into really five. Well, I mean, if you include the indexes 6 sections, but really 5 main sections. I begin with introducing the concept of sacred home making, which is the idea of starting. A a constant conversation with your living space and the items in it as and certainly this has more than a touch of animism. But once we begin to talk to our our things and our spaces, you know our, our, our, the spirit of place essentially we we open the conversation and we become more of that because I feel for a very, very long time. Humans have just done a lot of talking to their. To their things, they've they've done a lot of talking and no listening.

Hmm.

And every everything in this world, including this this tea mug, including the computer, including the air, including the microphone and you, me, the door, the window, the cat. Everybody has an intention. And the way we can open the conversation is via gratitude, because gratitude is the quickest shortcut to communicate with and in with a non corporeal being. And it's the best and it's and you always. It's a great way of also kind of demon proofing your life because demons really aren't into gratitude. You're you're less your spirit. You're more malevolent spirits. Gratitude is really not something that that they do well with. It's more like their crypt. It's like they're kryptonite. When you're because when you're grateful for things and you're you're appreciating everything, including little tiny things that no one else appreciates, what it does is it builds this. Net of spells around you. And and around everything that you're appreciating as a. And once I was standing by my piano and I'm very much convinced this wasn't me, this was with the one where I thought.

Mm-hmm.

It could have been Jesus. I don't know. I'm not Christian and I, but I think that he just kind of pops around and, like, talks to people. Just if if he feels like it, I believe it could have been. I could be wrong. I don't know who it was, but this entity who felt a lot like Jesus would feel OK said to me. Gratitude sublimates to the power of 7, and so does generosity, and he's like you on that. And I'm like, OK. My will and it has really become something I've had to ruminate over quite a bit quite a bit.

Mm-hmm.

And I I feel like what? What is he? What was he talking about? He, he said a bunch of other he's he's also said a bunch of other things or some other spirited it's something something that's felt very kind.

Yeah.

Very helpful. OK. And I believe what he's talking about is that when you are grateful for something in a very, very simple basic context, you're just raising the vibe.

Yeah.

Right, you know, so it's and I was as I was saying before. Every single one of us, you know, when we look at ourselves, we all want to be recognized for what we've done, right. And the worst feeling is to only be recognized for what you've done wrong.

Yeah.

Isn't it just absolutely awful? And when you feel like you can't do anything right? Well, I feel like the object in the House of an ingrate, the neglected object, the the bed that's never made or washed the the dishes that are never cleaned and put away the toilet, that's just left in a grotesque.

Yeah.

Did. All of those things, they feel like they can't do anything right, because they're never, they're never maintained, they're never cleaned. It's just like they're either used and forgotten. Right. And so by by taking these little things that people take for granted and by, you know, clean, it's also, you know, training.

Hmm.

To make oneself more diligent, clearly, but by by taking this and putting this where it should be, which it's not, and by you know by, you know, emptying the trash and by cleaning up kitties. A little litter box and and by just having this. This routine. And keeping everything on the up and up, it's every single time, especially if you do so with gratitude in your heart, you raise the vibe and you weave that net of spells around yourself and your home.

Yeah.

Yeah. And so that's kind of how I, I open the book with just this talk of well, you know maybe we can start talking to our spaces but also listening.

Mm-hmm.

To our spaces. Because it's been a long time since humans figured out how to listen.

Yeah.

Yeah. And then I then I go into 4 great sections of the book, like 4 big sections of the book. Which are by the seasons OK, Spring being intention. And that talking about you know, so I go more in depth about this, you know, rather woo woo concept of everything having a voice, everything having a will and that we are just one part of this great ecosystem. And then I talk about. Trying to remove perfectionism and introduce moderation in all things, as Apollo suggested, Adelphi, especially where food is concerned. Yeah, and and there's definitely 2 opposites that are equally bad. And one of those one of those is the junk food.

Hmm.

Donkey.

Right.

All the time. OK. It's not as bad as I'm making out. OK, but yeah, where? It's just like, oh, I don't care. I'm just going to. I'm gonna. Make that ramen right, because it's so tasty. How good, so soothing and yeah, and I'm just going to, you know. Oh, So what devil may care, don't care. And then there's the other side, orthorexia, where you're barely eating. You're you're like this one. One person was saying that she can't. She can't have bread. And sandwich, unless she makes the bread. OK. I would starve. OK. I guess I'm gonna have a sandwich again because my bread skills. Not good, you know, so, yeah. So obviously, this book is not about my homemaking skills. Do you want home studying? This ain't the one right here. Yeah.

Wow, yeah. Yes. Right.

Like never successfully canned vegetable by myself, never really successful. I've maybe made bread successfully twice. They're both in junior high, like I had talent for like 5 minutes and it went away, you know, on messy desk. You know, I am not Martha Stewart not going to happen, but I. But I still feel like I have something to say. Of course. So I talk about. Intention not going these two wacky holes of of either perfectionist or. Or heat, you know, or just complete. Slob, OK. And that the that sanity resides somewhere clearly in the middle?

Yeah.

Of it. And so and and that by thanking our items and thanking our spaces and being a little more conscious that this is the beginning of the listening process. And I, you know, and I give that little prayer before you eat N SE West mall. Who brought this food? Be blessed and I give some suggestions for just very lightly starting to talk with things. OK then there's summer and summer is celebrate. Motion and celebration. I talk about that concept as as I know we talked about last time of astral and etheric pyramids.

Mm-hmm.

Right. And and so of course in in the intro, I do go into what is the astral plane? What is the etheric plane? Why do we care? Right. And so I talk about how.

Yeah.

The restoration of the etheric plane via via these these pyramids happens OK and how they interact and and mesh with each other, which again is, as you know I've talked about in an in an essay or two. I think I've talked about it at this point. I've I've.

Yeah.

With my sub stack I have a sub stack at Kimberly Steele. I. Subsect.com/can really steal it? You know, I believe that's what it is. What? I was pretty basic. With that, I think I've been talking about the astral and etheric playing so much that I've I've at this point lost count. I think I I honestly mentioned it every other essay. So it just tends to be my, my pet obsession is just this. I just ever since I as a newbie occult. Just figured out what the ether plane was. I've realized I've I've been obsessed with it in one in a way, shape or form for like my entire life. You know, because when when I first found out about Feng shui, I was like, Oh my gosh, I I'm obsessed with this. I have to know more about this. And yeah. And I feel like with Feng shui, it is. It's it's somewhat goofy because I feel like there's all these strange rules with it.

MHM.

With like the Papua Square and I know do. You know anything about it?

I know very basic punctuate like I call myself the lazy functionalist functional person, like I have a money tree in my kitchen that is in a very specific corner. You know, like that I got down, that's about it.

Nice.

Yeah.

That would be my version of function way too, like it's just right. I've got like a couple things where they. Yeah, where?

Yeah.

People are like, oh, that plant, that's like good Feng shui and I'm like, OK, exactly. Yeah. Yay. OK give. Give me because I didn't try. Not hard anyway. But yeah, I feel like, but the concept to me, I've always loved. I just like, I'm like, no, this is this is dead. This is correct. This is dead on you are.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

You guys are right. And a lot of times I'll ameliorate bad corners with like either fake or real plants. So I do a lot of that, and it I definitely borrow so pretty heavily from it. Yeah, but except for the stuff where it's like, super technical in this direction and that direction.

Hmm.

Oh gosh, yeah.

And I'm just like, I mean, but you're you're an astrologer. So, I mean, you know, all about, like, really complicated attributions. Whereas for me, that's like above. My pay grade.

Hmm.

But but yeah, I mean, I mean and I'm trying to study, I try to study astrology and I feel like I know a lot more than I did, but I'm never going to be like, oh, no, someday sometime. I gotta, like, pay you to read my birth. Do you do?

It's deep. That not just yet, but yeah, maybe for time in the future.

So, OK, OK. Yeah. Awesome. You'll keep me in mind. I'll, you know, give me money. But yeah, as far as as.

Yeah.

Is like Feng shui. The complicated stuff, no. I just I I am. You know, I can't help it. I just tend to be. I try to be. I mean, I try to be down to earth to a huge degree. I don't always succeed, but I'm really trying with this book. Very hard to be fairly like, you know Joe regular person you know not not too.

Yeah.

I mean, there's definitely a very occult aspect to this book, but it's it's not entirely outside of the tightening, tidying genre. It. And that's why I think what is the ohh the 3rd chapter or section section because it's too long to be a chapter. Is about conservation, so it's fall like about preserving the harvest, and so that's where I finally get into the real nitty gritty.

Oh, right.

Of like organizing stuff and the parts, not my desk, but the parts of my like home that are organized well, I I I basically share my my methods. You know as much as I can and why why am I doing this, you know?

Yeah.

And then all along I'm I'm talking a lot about magic and how magic works and and how. A A spell is not always a a formal operation. You know not all magic is in fact very little magic is ceremonial.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We're doing magic all the time, Matt. I mean, to my definition, magic. Which is definitely adapted from Dan fortunes, I would say is that magic is the. Initiation process and and reverberation of intention.

Mm-hmm.

So meaning that it all centers around intention. OK. It so it I'm always talking about this through, you know the and then and we're not the only beings with intention of course you know this this whole room has an intention the this clutter on my desk has an intention. The the the FedEx envelope which really needs a home. It hasn't. It all has intention just like I have an intention and it's just you know if we're we can be blind to it but it's still there. And so yeah, so I talked about conservation I talk about.

Mm-hmm.

With with, you know, storing clothes, meaning what? To get rid of what, not to. Oh, books. Here's here's a great departure from Marie Kondo, Marie Kondo. She's Japanese, so it's Marie. People don't say call. Marie. It's Marie. It's Marie, OK, because it's got the E and that's how they say it. And and they kind of say like.

Yeah. Oh.

Almost sounds like Marie. When they when they say it, but it's Marie, but anyway. But with Maria Kondo the problem I have with her, she's like, oh, get rid of all your books. Hell no. Have any books. OK, so if anybody is, like, watching this podcast right now, do not get rid of. Do not ever. Don't. Oh my gosh. Like, never get rid of books. Books are like a lot of them are.

I know.

One-of-a-kind and they're.

Hmm.

They're they're not going to last forever. Anyway, I mean. They're going to disintegrate anyway, because unfortunately they're paper. But if you can save them, oh, my gosh, they're treasures.

Yeah.

They're never going to be printed again. There's so many like, I just. I've got. My books and I'll have to turn my screen over here. I've got that. OK, now that. OK, see, like right there.

Uh-huh.

They're, uh, those are the ones that I've that shelf is organized according to the Dewey Decimal Decimal system. I used to work.

Ohh boy.

In the library. Yeah, and I my goal is to take the rest of the five or six shelves like that in this house, probably more and organize them in the same way. You know and and make sure that that I've, you know, everyone should save their books. Save your books. Even magazines. This stuff's never gonna get printed again. We're not in an age where it's all that publishing is gonna come back. It's not. Going to all.

Yeah.

Come back. So if you if you have them, they are priceless treasures and for you know, in my my own like lower middle class. Situation. Those are the only investment I will ever. Yeah. OK, like I'm never going to have a 401K.

MHM.

Ever. It's never going to happen like that. That ship is sailed a long time ago. Books are my only. My only wealth, really. Like as if my car is like 20 years old. Works great, but it's 20 years old. Mm-hmm. Oh, I, I, oh, I've got a, you know, I've got a piano. My in the books, in the books, even though they're undervalued now. Just watch. They're they're going to be very valuable and all of these libraries that are dumped, you know, dumping so many books and so many are. Which? Is so sad. They're. Yeah. I mean, they're effectively torching money in the they're torching money in the future.

Ohh yeah.

So yeah, anybody with a book with a collection keep it. You can make them into effectively books or insulation. Like a big shelf like that one over. It's like an IKEA shelf. For whatever the I forget.

The point?

I forget the name of those, but it's like this common IKEA type shelf. They make it great insulation. Like if you line your entire wall and then put it thick curtain in the winter. And then you know, you take that curtain, you stretch it ceiling to floor. There's not like any weather that's gonna get that's basically like adding a second thick. Wall. Right of of solid wood essentially because it's paper, right?

MHM.

Go. You know, so and you know, obviously anchor your books to the wall because falling bushels are very dangerous. But that's just, you know, hopefully that's obvious. But yeah, at some point my husband and I, we lived in apartments and we would line the entire all the shelves of the apartment. All all the.

MHM.

Walls of department lined with books. It was really nice. Very soothing. Yeah. Yeah. So I I say no, do not go to your books. I also talk about clothing and that how and this I'll talk a lot more in my in the book I've got planned for after sacred home making Sacred Beauty that just this idea of like how we all have this avatar in our heads of like well.

Hmm.

How we want to look versus how we actually look and I suggest that you kill her, that you kill you.

Yes. Yep.

No, sorry. He's not going to help you. He is hurting you so. She is very wonderful and beautiful and she's yes, she represents your ideal. And you're thinner and taller and more symmetrical in the face. And I get it. I get it. She's so glamorous. But you've got it. You've got to let go of her, especially if you're my age. Oh, especially for my age. Yeah, I mean, so a lot of with Sacred Beauty, the follow up book I've got planned for sacred homemaking is going to talk about aging. Going through menopause.

Umm.

Without hormones. Yeah, the pause. It's good times.

I've heard.

It is. It's not. It's wonderful. I love it. No, seriously, I'm. I'm serious. I'm not. I'm trying not. I just. I'm naturally sarcastic because I was, you know, raised in. You know, I was born in 1973. So that that makes for a lot of sarcasm. And Gen. X, you know.

Yeah.

But uh, but yeah, it's actually awesome. And aside from the hot flashes, it's amazing. Menopause is so amazing. You know, like that. Like that mood every time you have your period. And. Well, I probably still have yours where it's just, like, really mad and then just fine. And then just like.

Yes.

Ohh, I'm so ******. And then I'm not depressed and. All within the span of like 24 hours or whatever doesn't happen any. Sorry.

That sounds great.

Not at all, no. And ohh remember those people who you, you know, you get caught in traffic or something. Really. They would say somebody would say something nasty.

MHM.

Or or you see some, you know, obnoxious person, kind of like triggers your like worst inner self.

Right.

Nothing. They don't got nothing on me. It's just it's it's like. So.

And yes.

And right? Yeah, it is. And that never used to be like that. Might maybe it could have be like the fact I've done this fear of production now for like, Oh my God, almost a decade now, it might be the vanishing ritual or something, I don't know. But it's funny how.

Hmm.

Nothing. It gets under my skin anymore. Nothing. It's like. People who used to **** me off, like always so mad and like, and I definitely am so fiery like my chart is so overwhelmed by fire. Like it's just I'm surprised that when I print it out or like put it look it up on the phone that this phone just doesn't spontaneously combust.

Oh, right.

Because of all the fire signs.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's pretty bad. It's like Leo Scorpio. It's like, ah, you know, Aries, like, it's. Like it's like ohh.

If give me a break.

It's just, yeah, it's like. And everybody's like, you know, yeah. But anyway, you know, it's. But menopause is amazing. Don't let anyone tell you differently.

OK, cool.

Yeah, at least at this for me, I don't. So anyway, so all I talk about the clothing and I used to work retail and in retail like in in Marie Maria Condos books, she kind of talks about getting rid of a lot of clothing and I agree.

MHM.

I you should get rid of most of it, but. UM, but again, it's it all depends on you as well. I I live a whole lot more room for your personal preferences like some peoples level of. Clutter is another person's minimalism.

Right, exactly.

And you always got to start where you are and it's like there's nothing wrong with some to use a maximalist at all. That's them.

MHM.

And then it might be, but unless you are truly as supposed to be a minimal. List, but there's no one-size-fits-all. OK, there just isn't. But for clothing I I share some of the things that I have found helpful. Meaning, like if my house wasn't the size of a shoe box. It I would definitely hang most of my clothing because in retail, have you ever worked retail like, yeah, OK in retail as you know, all the good clothes are hung like on the racks, right. All the best stuff. It's always on the racks.

Right. Oh yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

And then all of like the kind of not so great stuff is folded on the tables. And the crap? The stuff that nobody wants is folded and in the back.

Hmm.

You know or on the back in the back walls where the folding is. So I love folding. You know, I love folding clothes. They're great. But honestly, in my if I lived in my ideal house and not, I would hang almost everything actually except for like underwear or whatever, you know, because that that makes more sense in a drawer. Socks. He makes more sense, you know, not going to hang my socks.

Yeah.

Yes. Actually, like if I had like all this like one kind of pair of one type of socks only. I would get one of those like plastic bag dispensers. You know, usually the yeah. Like the little thing. And I would just put them.

Oh, right.

In there. Because but every single sock I have is like different and some of them have like wacky designs or whatever, so it's no unfortunately I can't have nice things, but. But yeah, so I talk about, I talk about, you know, just my method of folding, which tends to be like camp roll folding. If you've ever gone camping and you had you like, roll your clothes because before I had this wonderful washer dryer that my husband made, you know, installed and bought and installed for me.

M.

And I was taking my laundry all the time to my mom's house. And with the laundromat. I we can't roll my clothes because you know, you can Chuck that thing across the room like a football. And it's not going to come apart.

Hmm.

And that's really important. If you're like, schlepping or clothes back and forth. And so. And I think that's where most people are. You know, most people don't have the luxury of a washer dryer in their house. And I used to not. So I think that, you know, I share the and then I do actually, in the back of the book, while this is planned and hopefully it will work out. But there'll be a folding index where I took.

Right.

Like, I took painstaking photographs of all of this folding like my hands, and like I had my husband, like, lean over me and, like, take the photo. It was really comical.

You're right.

And so yeah, but just to show like via pictures like actual photographs like, this is what you're going to do with your clothing. Yeah, so. So hopefully you know, high hopes that that that part of the book will come. It will be in the back. And then I have an index of spells. And then finally in the the like 4th quadrant of the book, I guess you can. Call it it's winter because it's been spring, summer, fall and winter. In winter. I think that's where I talk about some of the really interesting stuff like hauntings.

Hmm.

Poltergeist mimics echo hauntings and then I go and I'm sure you've you may you've probably seen the excerpt from the book where on my blog where I talk about how sacred geometry acts as demon traps.

Yes. Yeah.

Maybe.

OK, well, secret geometry comes in a lot of forms. It's not just the most obvious ones like the Shriya. Extra and like the hexafluoride and the and the seed of life and the metatrons cube. I mean, it's not, it's that those are great things. They're they're fabulous examples. But sacred geometry is actually something we see in every single culture around the world. Pretty much that is magically. Moderate, and that's pretty much all of them except. For modern Americans, I mean not, not wisely, we're not wise. I feel like there's spots of magical literacy like you. The and, but as far as like why widespread magical literacy? No.

Right.

No, not so much. But we see it in, you know, sacred geometry which what is what is sacred geometry doing. This is what I believe it's doing. It's working mostly on the astral plane, so it's the plane of images, right?

Mm-hmm.

And that is one thing more subtle than the etheric, and the etheric is where they tend to manifest right. The etheric is where they tend to do nasty things like make that smells and smell is very relative to the etheric. They make sounds sound as etheric in new. Sure, they play with the lights and the electricity. Also etheric in nature, they like make ugly looking apparitions. That's etheric because you're just seeing the energy kind of do its almost physical, it's almost physical but just not quiet. But Astral is 1 level more subtle. So what you do, astral. The astral shape of say, the.

Yeah.

Texas foil. Is going to. They're going, they see it, you know, they don't have eyes, but they see it. OK, so it's there for them. Just it's it's there because it's there on the astral plane too. OK, but all the planes are simultaneous.

Right.

Right. And when, let's say I'm a demon or something, OK? And as a demon, I I'm like looking for somebody to munch on or something to torment. And then I come to the bedroom of somebody with some sacred geometry. And what happens is like, I notice the person and like, umm, yummy. But then I look and it's like. Ohh look this the Sri Yantra or look the hexa foil shiny. It's shiny and the demo. I don't know why, but for whatever reason, demons. Will see that. Shape and it's shiny. OK, they they don't. Again, they don't really see it because they perceive it OK. They perceive it. They perceive it, they get drawn into it. And then what happens is they follow one of the lines.

Hmm. Right. Yeah, proceed. Yeah.

And then they start going in an infinite shape. Round and round and round, and then by the time they unlock. Themselves from it. There's no more energy to to harass who is whoever sleeping down there. And if the sleeper has been smart and has put out bowls of vinegar which disrupted the etheric bodies of those creatures when they try to manifest in the etheric.

Right.

What? What are the what substance is going to really mess them up? Salt. Vinegar.

MM.

Vinegar. I don't know why vinegar acts like that. I could not explain to you.

It's just the smell. Maybe, like so strong or the acid, yeah.

Acetic acid. I don't know, maybe. On, but whatever, if it's evaporating in your, if you have problems, put bowls of vinegar, white vinegar you know and it's like, Oh no, it's not. Oh, my gosh, deal with it. What do you prefer, smell or being? Assaulted in your sleep.

Right.

I'll I'll deal with the small vinegar. Thank you. I'll smell like a salad dressing. We're good. You know, anoint myself with oil. I'll be like a human salad. But the demons will hate. It.

Yeah.

Right. So anyway, so putting putting those things. Out and with the the and the other forms of sacred geometry. So we have the. Amish and their. Quotes. Right. So the the little baby or the child is wrapped up in that beautiful quilt. And what does the demon see? They see the quilt. They don't see the sleeping, the. Sleeper.

Hmm.

Native Americans have dream catchers now. I have heard. Dream catchers are problematic because especially if they use like animal materials, I don't know what that is. You really want to avoid like animal materials and stuff like that. Also, yeah, they they can just be kind of an issue. But but that that shape the the idea is the shape, the symmetry.

Hmm.

The symmetry macrame, you know, macrame is a bunch of knots that that probably would work even better.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

With Africa African, a lot of African cultures have the Katanga cloth.

Mm-hmm.

Which is these beautiful, vibrant and a lot of times they'll wear them at weddings, right, wear them at weddings because you want all that good luck. You want to take all the demons and and distract their, distract their demonic. Intentions and what do they see? That beautiful cloth they don't see and they wrap babies in them too, right? Exactly. They distract the baby. Distract the demon from the baby by wrapping his clock. Islam has mosaics, powerful, very powerful and a lot of times in in like Muslim spaces.

Yeah.

They'll like cover every surface.

Oh yeah, yeah.

Everything like the toilet. No, I don't know. But I don't. I don't look in there. But but they'll they'll cover, like in a bedroom or a sitting room. They'll just like the ceiling. The. Or the chairs, like everything is a is a symmetrical design and another thing that you see that I think the Muslims got it right. Because they don't put any human or animal faces in their designs, and I think that's very smart. And the first thing I suggest if you've got a negative haunting because the whole world is haunted. OK. I mean, the whole world is completely haunted. We're haunted. Right now. There's entities all over the place. There's entities by you. There's entities here. There's entities in this machine. There's entities everywhere. So just like anybody who.

All right.

Don't mean to freak anyone out here, but. You're surrounded all the time. But anyway. But if you have a negative haunting.

Yeah, yeah.

Which is the kind where they're picking on you, right?

Hmm.

Then the first thing you want to remove from your space is anything that depicts a face. For instance, my adorable cat curtain would have to go. It has got pictures of Neko on it. I know, but it would have to go if I had a negative haunting, no?

Ah yeah.

Luckily for me, it's like I'm doing so much vanishing rituals in this space. I I would be very hot and also with the a lot of sacred home making practices. There's a lot of there. You know, I may have, you know, pictures of cats, but I. Also, have you know? Geometric shapes as well hanging around.

Mm-hmm.

And the, you know, the constant batching rituals, the constant meditation, the constant thinking, everything, I highly it. It'd be really hard for something nasty to get started in here. Yeah, it really would, I mean. That's. Yeah, but you know. But if I did. I would also get rid of a lot of my mirrors.

Hmm.

You know? Yeah. And then you've got to and I I talk about the deleterious effects of screens. Unfortunately. You know, one thing that I think I mentioned in the in the end of the book there I. If someone's watching. Yeah, I do say this like someone's watching ***********. That's gonna, really. Be a way in.

Mm-hmm.

I I do talk about I I do speak against Ouija boards. I speak against seances. On doing like really haphazard invocations with no protection and no banishing rituals and no, no.

Yeah.

You know that brings you're basically just rolling out the red carpet. For it's it's like it's it's. It's the spiritual equivalent of just leaving all your doors and windows open at night and leaving like a tasty snack on your kitchen table. You know, so that way someone will come and get it.

Mm-hmm.

You know, so it's it's so I do suggest against any, you know seances or anything like that and then I give a bunch of practices that are far, far better than that. Yeah, yeah. I mean, just ohh, don't get me started on my seances and Ouija boards. I get so mad.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't like. Yeah, there's a lot of differing opinions on on why, but I just. I just know that you can invite things in and they can impersonate and and everybody and most people like I've talked to some mediums and all sorts of they just don't. They just don't mess with those things. So I'm.

Yeah.

Like I never mess with those.

Good. Things you know, it's like, yeah. And and I'm somebody who I talk to dead people all the time.

Hmm.

No. It's I feel like the senses are very disrespectful the way they go about it, the way they go. Boogie, Boogie, Boo, you know, with the flashlight or whatever, you know and like hold hands. It's like, no, you can talk to dead people. It's not.

Yeah.

It's not like all necro that like you don't have to be an asks about it, just just talk to them. They're they're people, they're people. They're not, they're not like different because they're dead. Yeah. Their circumstances are different, but. And, you know, energy.

Right. Yeah.

Yeah.

Right.

Is neither created nor destroyed. It just changes form. Yeah, you know, like I, you know my father, as I mentioned, passed away. And I believe I talked to him. Yeah. You know, and I don't think it's freaky or weird or anything, you know, it's so funny is after I started doing a lot of spiritual work because I was atheist 10 years ago. Believe it or not, I can't even believe it. But after I started doing a lot of spiritual work just. Every day day in and day out. Very unglamorous, but. I know I I see. I I finally, you know, I have waited years and years and years to see an apparition. Right. And then, like, one day in like 2021, I think I was like walking in the Forest Reserve. And I just saw a full body apparition.

Hmm.

And I thought I'd be more freaked out. And just the other day, I was just like looking at the sky and some weird, definitely not real thing flew by.

Hmm.

It was a nothing burger. It was just like. It was like seeing a deer.

So can I ask how so when you saw the person in the forest, how did they appear to you? Ohh, because I have somebody in my I'm thinking about in my mind.

Yeah. OK well this this. It looks like a person looks like a hiker. Uh, it was a he. He was a middle-aged man.

Mm-hmm.

Kind of skinny. He has wearing brown. He had a backpack. And when I, you know, and I and I made eye contact and I start walking towards him and and he just melted away. Just not not a scary way not in a temple of Doom way and no not in like Indiana Jones Way no he just basically you know he he just disappeared.

Ohh. Just, yeah. Evaporated or something.

That's cool. I'm just. But I thought it'd be a lot more freaked out by it.

Yeah.

Like, OK, well, that was. And and it was interesting. He was the ghost of. A suicide there.

Ohh.

Because definitely, yeah, that forest is is, it's not. I don't walk in there anymore cause I don't feel it's like particularly safe.

Yeah.

Hmm.

It's just a it's a force preserved by me that has a lot of, like illicit activity and I just love it. I just. I just, I'm such a hoe bag for, like, walking in the.

Oh, gotcha.

Sure. So but anyway. But that's. Yeah, I remember that being my like the first like legit full body apparition that I saw. And I'm like, wow. I thought I'd be a lot more freaked out about that. Yeah. And then what? Happened the other. Oh yeah, the other day I I OK. And then I saw that weird flying thing. And then if I seen ghost cats. For years, years even when I was.

Oh yeah.

Atheist I saw them. Like what?

How did you even explain that when you're an atheist?

I thought I used to think like all this stuff I couldn't explain. I was like, ohh, it's trans dimensional bleed. It's another dimension, OK.

Right, right, right. Which you know. Which explains it is. It is. Yeah. Yeah.

Kind of. Yeah. So it wasn't like complete, but I any all of that stuff, I was like, oh, it's another dimension bleeding over. Kind of, but it's still here. It's like my my mistake. What that I made was that it's like.

Yeah.

Something twilight zone. Ish. It's not. It's just right here.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I just made too much of it. Right. So but yeah, now, now I kind of see things a little more regularly and I feel like the spirit only shows you what you're ready for.

Ohh yeah.

Because yeah, otherwise it'd be like a little too. Much. No. Just to be seeing it all the time, just like what am I? You cause? Of course, you'd be, like, accused of being schizophrenic.

Yeah.

Right, like, oh, you're sketchy. Funny. No, that's. Different. I know that's different. You know I'm not. I'm not saying that they're not seeing entities. They probably are. I'm just saying, the way these entities are presenting.

Yeah.

It's a lot safer of a feeling.

Exactly. Yeah, exactly.

And it's a lot more distinguishable between real and and, and this is a phenomena, right? It's a lot more easily easy to tell, like, oh, that's not really there. You know, that's more of a reflection of something else.

Mm-hmm.

Right.

There's a little girl. Ohh, girly. OK, I'm sorry.

No. Yes.

They want my attention. But yeah, so in the in the again the last quadrant, I guess you would say the book.

Oh.

Hmm. I do talk extensively about hauntings, about what conditions lead up to a haunting. We talk about aging, what happens after death.

Mm-hmm.

Just how to how to honor the dead. In to my mind, to honor the truly honor the dead, the best way of communicating with the dead as well is just simply take whatever made them wonderful, whatever.

Mm-hmm.

Their highest vibe was OK and imitate it. Imitated. My father was generous to a fault. He he he always he was. I always say generosity, not worry. That was him or gratitude, not worry, I mean. I'm I'm more conscious, I think about gratitude than he was, but he was certainly more more to my mind, generous.

Hmm.

And generosity it it does. And even though he wasn't into woo woo stuff or any of that, you know, I just feel like he had that very naturally and certainly yeah, it certainly runs in families and his his my grandmother was like that.

Yeah.

Too, and my mother's like that too. So, you know, he certainly married the right person, but as far as as far as talking in the debt, it's not that hard. You you just have to. You just have to embody what made them. Worth knowing. What made them a good person and then when you buy because it's like tuning into a radio? Dial. Right. Right. Yeah, and and by tuning into that strength that they had, then you get to communicate with their higher self, which is the thing that's easiest to communicate with anyway. If you're tuned into it right, I mean, it all makes sense from a logical standpoint, and I hope I I make this very clear in the book. I do. I mean, I hope that it it resonates with people, but it's a long process to be published.

Mm-hmm.

I haven't talked to them lately. I need to. I need to like touch base with with my public. Sure. But effectively, I think we're looking at like next year around this time, there's so many things that need to be done. Just. You know, copy it. You know, typesetting. And we've got to get to the, you know, I don't even, you know, I don't even know. Like. How much of it they, you know, they're happy with. At this point, and. Right. Yeah, I I'll. I'll get in touch with them soon. But, but yeah, I'm excited. I mean, it is, it's a it's I, I mean I have written books before, but they were fiction. I wrote. I wrote some like novels, and I'm glad I did, because, like, it definitely gave me the. It gave me the perspective of an author, but nonfiction is very different than fiction. Yeah, yeah. But, but yeah, so yeah, so I got my second book that I'm trying to kind. Of cook up in my head. You know, I I don't know how exactly how I'm going to structure that one yet. I'm working on it. You know, it's it'll it'll happen. It'll be called Sacred beauty. I wanted to. I mean, I really want to try to speak to these young women out there. Where?

Mm-hmm.

Boy, I thought my generation had it really rough. Yeah, like, I mean, do you feel like, are you? Are you married?

I know.

Yeah. OK, for how long?

Oh gosh, we've been well, we've been together like 20-3 years or something. Yeah, but married.

Wow. OK, that's almost yeah.

12 yeah.

OK. Fascinating. Don't you feel like you caught one of the last choppers on a Nam?

Yeah.

Sometimes yes, yes.

You know, right. I mean, just when you're looking, I mean, these poor women. I'm just like, wow, because men have it really bad too. But because of the economy being the state that it's in.

Yeah.

Men can't provide, you know, you need both spouses to be working. You need both. Spouses need to be hauling *** in order to. And then ohh my. Heaven forbid you have children.

Mm-hmm. Right.

Mm-hmm.

You know, so it's just a really difficult climate just because of just the provide the providing aspect alone, very difficult climate and I don't know. So I want to, I just want to try to speak to them to.

Right.

Give them some kind of thought of of to some advice to help them prioritize inner inner beauty versus outer beauty. Because outer beauty, no matter how pretty you are, that's going, that's going away.

Oh yeah, yeah.

And if you get too attached to it, it's gonna eat you alive. Yeah. And of course, I'll I'll take any opportunity to talk about how frightening, you know, plastic surgery is and. And all that stuff. And I and I just love to talk about that. So I I feel like that's another one of those books for me that will write itself.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I just hope it doesn't take as long as this. One did this one took a while.

Well, you know it is. You got to do the first one and then you know all the ropes at that point. Yeah, it's the idea, right?

That's what I tell myself. Yeah, yeah. But no, I've been. I've been keeping up with a lot of the weekly essays and that's. I suppose you know a lot of the material can be pulled from the essays because it's like, certainly something I've kind of touched on. And and with with sacred home making a lot of the the a lot of material should seem a little familiar from my essays.

Yeah.

You know, there's it's just definitely like leitmotifs there that that I. Think people will notice so. Yeah. So it's like, so if you're anybody who's like, oh, I I'm excited. Well, I it it a lot. Of it's reflected in the essays. Yeah, it's, it's not, it's not. It's certainly not a foreign a completely foreign land. You know, when you when you read the book was like with like John Michael Greer.

Yeah.

Books. Right? What you're reading like this is kind of like one of his essays, you know? Right. I mean, it says something new, like always something new in there. But I'm like, I kind of remember him talking about that. You know, it's just nice to have it in pages, you know.

And together like.

Yeah, because that is a joy book. That's why. You never get. Rid of your books, man. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, because what if the Internet went down?

I know. What are we? Going to do I have.

Well, if it got more. Expensive. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah. I mean, since I would be sad. Because I'm a visual learner.

Hmm.

I am such a visual learner, like I cannot tell you how many things the Internet has taught me how to do and.

Oh my.

Gosh, for real? Yeah.

Right. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's just like literally things today. Today I probably learned learned something about off the Internet that I couldn't. It's not that I couldn't learn it from a book because I could, but it just takes so much longer.

Yes, yeah, yeah. It takes way longer.

Yeah.

And it's just in this kind of crush of time. You know, I don't, I just. I just. It's really not. It's just a wonderful luxury.

Ohh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah, it really is.

Yeah. Right. And like like we could talk like this with pictures and stuff. I mean, I can't even imagine this like from when I was a kid.

Oh my gosh.

Talking to somebody like with with video cause back then like long distance phone calls were so expensive.

Yeah.

They were, they would just be hundreds of dollars and it, and it was like uh, in in, like money. The money back then. So it was like it was more like $1000 now. But I remember. Yeah, I remember like having my little friends where where like their mother, you know, let's say I had a little friend where she was I think from Korea.

Yeah. Were crazy. Yeah.

And every time her, you know, she the mom wanted to call the grandma. It was just like this ridiculous amount of money for like, you know, 20 minutes, thirty minutes. And now it's no big deal. But I mean, people don't realize like how huge that was. And that was not even to see video. That was just to hear their voice.

Ohh my gosh. Mm-hmm. Exactly, yeah.

Yeah.

Long way we've come, yeah.

So. Definitely much to be grateful for, for sure.

Yes. So I guess sort of like a couple questions. So what are some common misconceptions about home making that you hope to challenge with your book and you kind of spoke about it a little bit, but I feel like. Like. Go. Go right in there.

I think one of the biggest misconceptions is that. It has your home has to be perfect and that again can go into this direction of when to go of an insatiable creature who has to eat more and more and or to get thinner and.

Hmm. Oh, right.

Dinner. Because what happens is I even kind of chastise people in the book. Like I I say, don't you dare use this book as an excuse to go out and buy a bunch of crap or like, upgrade your house like, right in the beginning of it. I talked about the housing upgrade, luxury lifestyle, otherwise known as Hall.

Alright.

Hmm.

Which which is like that thing where upper middle class, you know family moves into like larger and larger homes hoping to hoping to flip every time for the equity.

Oh, right. Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

Disgusting. Yeah. If you have you ever seen house hunters?

I think I know what it is, but I. Don't think it's.

Ohh it just it that show ****** me off so bad. Like it's always these people where they're like, oh, well, we've got a budget of 850,000 to, you know, a 100. What? Yeah, like $1,000,000 for this house. I mean, literally, we can just draw, but we need to stay under $1,000,000. Because.

Like ohh. But you're already talking a million at this point.

Oh my gosh. 1.2 million. That's just too much like, oh, my God, look, what job does he have? You know, is what is he? What is he doing that you know, he's got that kind of money, sweetie? Yeah, I'm just like, it doesn't sound legal, but yeah. So you see a diplomat or something, you know, like they're all diplomats on the show. It's like, who can do this? So, like, there's that, like, the.

Right.

The whole lifestyle and I and I kind of just warn against that in a lot of ways because I think that.

Hmm.

Is. That that was that's the problem I have with a lot of of just the of the the existing material in home making. Another thing is don't worship stuff.

Hmm.

Meaning that I found a lot when I was researching the book. I found a lot of books about. Taking the you know about taking the toaster apart so you can deep clean it, but almost nothing about actually thanking the toaster or it's work, right? He's like, oh, no, no. Like, wash your sheets. Every day, like a hotel. No. I'm not that sweaty.

I know.

I'm like, what do you think I'm disgusting or something like? I take a bath like right before I get in bed. I'm. I'm clean. Like it's not gross in my it's in my sheets. OK. It is. They're they're clean. OK.

Yeah.

So just stuff like that. I I definitely warn against going overboard. Right. Because ain't nobody got time for that one, and it's just it's just and it's not really a form of appreciation. It's just obsession at that point.

No.

No.

Right. I feel like a lot of these, like the tips and things that you're you're. In your examples, I feel like these are people's clickbait, or these are people's social media. You know what I mean? It's just like their I don't know what you call that like their particular. Thing that they can get attention for rather than it being something that is practical and useful for right. Yeah, yeah.

Yep, Yep. Right. Exactly like, yeah. Like the ASMR type videos where. You know it it like, what planet do you live on? You have 8. You know you have 8 different. Kinds of bath bomb like what? And then we're watching you put them away, you know, like in your perfectly organized.

Oh my gosh.

Lose sight.

That's why.

Tackle box or whatever it's like. In a life or you going?

Exactly.

That's a lot of bad thoughts.

And I don't know. Like I I love them too. But but do you really have to organize them obsessively like that or whatever? I mean, seriously. You know, just some of the weird things that but. But again, if that's your thing. Oh, my God. Knock yourself out.

Yeah, that's a lot.

Right. The one thing I do say in the book quite a bit, it's just you know, look. If you love it, you go ahead.

Yeah, do it.

Like that's my problem with with konmari. I'm just. Like dude, not everyone is not everyone folds their underwear. I get that. I fold my underwear because I'm a.

Mm-hmm.

Freak and I. Just like. Folding. But my husband's underwear, I don't fold his damn underwear. Are you kidding me? I just stuff it in the drawer.

Right, right.

You can fold it himself. Yeah, I mean, I do fold mine because I just think it's fun. And because they look like these little like burritos or whatever. But. I mean, I just, I I understand that it's demented to fold your underwear. I mean, I get that I just like it kind of. So I do give instructions on how how to do it. If you want to do it. But I'm not saying that anyone has to where they think with with Colin Marie she made the mistake of saying no. You have to do it this way. And when you're doing a A.

Oh, right.

You know, she also suggests this kind of purge. She's like, no, either you purge everything in one fell swoop or or nothing. I'm like, no, no. No, no one. It's like it's like I don't have time to to not work for two months while I do that. That's. Not going to happen.

Oh my gosh. Yeah.

You know, it's like, no, I'm going to be homeless and I won't have to worry about any of it. I won't have to worry about a damn thing because.

Bye bye.

I'll be I'll be living in my car.

Right.

You know. You know, so I just. So what I suggest is people do an exercise, I call clean one corner where you just you you start in a corner and you you make sure you make that observation. Look at the corner like my desk could be that corner right now.

OK.

And that you, you know, then you you do the business of cleaning it all, getting it all ship shape and Bristol fashion and then you do a very important step at the end of putting a decorative item on it make a it's a finishing touch. It's like a sealed with a kiss. OK.

Right.

And then observe what it feels like afterwards. And if you do observe that, the vibe is very much improved, which most likely you will. Congratulations, you're psychic.

That's true, though it's 100% true.

Yeah. You know, it's like and people think it's more more complicated than that. I wish these cats want to cuddle. Like I want to cuddle. Cuddle. You're so soft.

I know. Come on.

I know, baby, but yeah. So it's like, how can right? I feel I feel like you can't not figure that out. Well. And that's what I'm hoping that the whole book is like for people we're like, oh, oh, OK, so isn't that hard to figure out just. And I think that's the problem I have with a lot of occult books. OK. They think it's. They're gatekeeping.

Hmm.

Oh oh God. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Stop gatekeeping with the cult stuff like we are living in an age of spiritual leprosy where we need all hands on deck. I was a sailor in a.

Yeah, I agree.

Former life, that's why. I use a lot a lot of.

Lot of **** stuff.

Ship metaphors. Yeah. I died at sea last time I was a man. I was a man. I died at sea.

Oh man.

Yeah, this is interesting. Yeah, it it took a while to make peace with that one.

Doesn't seem like the.

We're just.

Best great way to go for sure.

No, it's not good. It's not good.

Yeah.

You die of dehydration.

How you're like how? But you're like in the ocean with salt water, yeah.

Yeah, right. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's, it's it's you die of dehydration and exposure. But but. I'm it's like. It it it all it it all comes out. In the wash, yeah. Yeah, or the ocean.

Yes, or there should, yes.

So yeah, so that's kind of what I'm trying to do I'm trying. To dumb it. Down. Yeah, I'm trying to, you know, you know.

Yeah.

Earth it out.

Yeah.

So that your layman can read this book and and not be an occult person.

MHM.

And just like, oh, OK, that's what, you know, that's not really that hard to figure out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then, yeah, hopefully, you know, lighten some of the collective astral sepsis. So.

Cool.

Was really bad today. Oh yeah, wasn't it like the the astral weather? I know about your area, but today the astral weather was so bad around here. Like the real weather. Like the mean world. Weather was gorgeous. It was like this beautiful, clear sky. Oh, my gosh. It's like so pretty pink clouds and blue and.

Mm-hmm.

In pastel colors and all, it was gorgeous. But but and the astral weather septic.

Hmm.

Oh gosh. Me, I haven't tapped into it much today.

Yeah. You know, it's yeah, it's not a good idea. Oh. Oh, my God. Ohh. My gosh, I'm sorry. My cats are being insured. They are. Wow, you 2.

For that reason.

Yeah.

Oh my gosh. Dear me, I thought. OK, I'm sorry. OK, one of you is leaving.

Ohh, got kicked out.

All right. Yeah, someone just got kicked out. Bad Kitty.

Ohh, it's so cute though.

But he's like, so happy that he's alone. With Mommy now.

Ohh it was a yeah.

Yeah. Conspiracy. Ohh, that. Yeah, you did it on purpose. Or you did it? Yeah. Ashley again. So anyway, but yeah. But no, I'm excited about the book. It's it's a long way from publication at this point.

Yeah.

But I'll certainly keep you posted. Yeah, for sure, for sure.

Oh please. Yes. I'm excited to read it. I'm excited. Yeah, that's going to be so great.

Yeah, I hope. I hope that that I succeed in my mission to again make it rather accessible for the average lay person, yeah.

Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Well, also. Well, yeah. Congratulations. So exciting. Can you tell our audience like, you know, the the publisher is a really cool publisher? Like, like, let's get some information.

Thank you. Thank. Yes, is it's. Going to be Aeon books, they they push a lot of the John Michael Greer stuff. I think it's just and books.com I believe that that's their website.

Yeah.

Yeah, they they already have a lot of really great herbal books. The publisher and his wife, I think they're very avid herbalists and among you know, and and of course, they have a huge offering of John Michael Greer books and and all sorts of wonderful things. So yeah, check them out for sure.

M. Yeah, and your sub stack and your website.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I have a sub stack. I have a dream with and a sub stack. Both are the you know, Kimberly Steele is the what to look for. STELE like Remington, not Danielle. Yeah, and I'm. I published weekly essays on on sub stack. The reason why I started was mainly because I am never going to make a mailing list out of people's addresses. It's not. That's not going to happen.

Mm-hmm.

All with me. I'm just not that kind of person. I can't like. I just not organized enough and so soft stack. Like, what happens if you sorry my cat, this cat hair over my nose here.

Right.

So some. Like it's really cool because they just e-mail whoever subscribes and so we. Yeah. So that's that's absolutely why I made one in the first place and then I have a special like, paywall essay, and I try to make it, you know, a paywall essay every week, unlike saltier subjects.

Oh neat.

Like really salty sometimes, like. Sometimes I'll talk really candidly about autism or. Just some of the really dark things that that I think about, but I I usually like to keep that as my paywall only for you know, really really good reasons.

Yeah.

But they're, I mean, a lot of it's very entertaining to read. But, but yeah, again, I don't feel it's necessarily suitable for.

So.

You know younger audiences or whatever, whereas like most of my most of my essays and blogs, are definitely all ages. Yeah. So anything that's not the secret sub stack stuff is is very accessible. Yeah. So yeah, so yes, either Kimberly still there and then yes, I am a musician. One of my big projects is that we're are the Orphic hymns. Which I take a bunch of these old poems that were translated in English in the 18th, 18th and 19th centuries. And I I put them to very like singable folk music. It's it's for to some degree on brand with my whole sacred home making approach where I I seek to make something that was rather esoteric into a kind of a digestible form. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In order to in order to just make it. Occult occult isn't for dummies.

Right.

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Like what? I love GM. GI John. Michael, I love him, but, oh, my gosh, he he is so above my pay grade sometimes. Like I'll just be reading like I remember reading the whole UM thing about the Wagnerian opera and just being like, like, the whole series he made on that. And I'm just like, oh, I I swear you could probably see smoke coming out of my ears for a lot of that and.

Oh gosh.

I'm a musician like I.

Perfect.

Should be more well.

Like into it and like, yes.

It's like, oh, God, Oh my. I had and it's working right now.

That's amazing.

Yeah. So it's like, so I tend to. Be the I think the. Less. Erudite and less intellectual version sometimes.

I mean, not everybody is going to be like his depth of like a cool and esoteric plus Wagnerian, like plus a strong.

Yeah. Yeah, I yeah, exactly. I just, I don't have that kind of candle power. So, but my head is off to it. You know, just like, wow, you know?

Heck no. Yes.

I'm a musician so right, like I said, I should have at least understood a little more of the fact than I did I. I'm like thank. Thanks to four years of musical college, I did kind of catch on. To some of that, but.

Sure.

Yeah, I was, yeah. And I use it. I actually do. I'm one of the few people use this her. Degree every day. Because I make arrange, I make musical arrangements. I have, like a little Etsy store. For anybody interested in sheet music, it's a lot of it's very cute. It's called sheet music by Kimberly on Etsy.

Very. Yes. Well, everybody, you have to check out all Kimberly stuff waiting for that book to come out or sub stack. The Orphic hymns are amazing. We talked about that in our last chats and yeah. And you write sheet. Sick. So that's awesome. So I always, you know we always leave you left to left us with some great wisdom and you last time and you've given us such great wisdom. Are there any? Words with stuff that you would like to leave us with today.

Boy. OK, sweep your floor. Every morning and make your bed. Make your bed every day. Make your bed and thank it. Clean your toilet every night. And thank your toilet does the hardest job in in the entire world. Nasty job. It has to do. I believe that if you do all those things, you will just get luckier and luckier and all those things you want to manifest will start coming into your life. It's it's funny how it works that way. It's not the way we would expect it to work, but that daily diligence and the daily appreciation. That is the secret of sacred homemaking, just that that determination don't give up.

Hmm.

And and clean up after yourself. It's it's you. You'll feel good. You're going to feel good about it. It's going to bring you luck.

Wonderfully simple and approachable, I love it. Thank you so much, Carly.

Thank you. Oh my gosh, thank you so much. And I hope you. Have a really good night.

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